Friday, November 21, 2014
FamilyFinder Paying Off for Robinson Roots
My familyfinder test on my 1st cousin, a Robinson, didn't turn up one Robinson who had tested. Even the Robinson with a distance of 5 steps on our own haplogroup and who had taken the test is not a match with chromosomes.
SWT's name came up and his surname was in my Family treemaker program! There was only one entry and that was someone born in about 1609 in Meppershal, Bedfordshire, England who had married Alice Robinson, the name in blue. SWT is the brother of NA.
That is where our haplogroup match had found the origin of his tree to be; Meppershal, and I figure it has to be ours, too, though we have a distance of 5. He is not a match to us on family finder which was disappointing.
Another lady matched who had also been a match to my brother and myself who had the Winthrop Fleet of 1630 on her tree. She lives in Canada and her family had moved there. We shared another surname of which 6 were on my tree. A few were in Vermont. Swanton, Vermont was one place. I'm sure I have Robinsons in Swanton. I found Amos Robinson living there b: 1827. Since Abaithar was born in 1829, Abiathar could be an unlisted brothers of Amos for some reason or other; maybe because he was born in December. Amos's father was Brown Robinson b: 1799 Vermont married to Sally Orcutt
The father of Brown was Stephen Robinson,
Amos was born in 135
Nathaniel was born in 1691
George was born in 1655
His father, George, was born in 1626 either in Scotland or England, which might take care of our weird Robinson allele #393 being a 12.
It doesn't lead to Meppershal, though.
There was another lady, NA, that both my brother and I had found on our matches before and now she also matches my cousin. She was able to list the people that matched her, her brother and my cousin by chromosome number, start and end location. I wonder if it was automatically produced or by her hand. It was very nice to see.
Resource: Familyfinder at FTDNA, an autosomal DNA test
FamilyFinder Resuts IN For Robinson
Now, I'll hope that all those other 474 people have well worked family trees and will be able to find a Robinson who is on their tree who could be our Robinson ancestor. That would be nice.
Come on Robinsons. Take the family finder test at Family Tree DNA. If' you've already taken an autosomal somewhere else, please let me know and also transfer a copy of the results to GedMatch. There we can compare our results.
Wednesday, November 19, 2014
Our Robinson Family Matching Irish DNA
A new fact I have just been introduced to is that the British got rid of their political prisoners by shipping them all over to the new world during the same period my ancestor was reported to have come over. Our DNA matches a good 20 Irish people on Family Tree DNA. Our allele #393 is a 12. This is rare in the R1b grouping. It seems to be pointing to the Irish, all right.
When they rebelled or disobeyed an order, they were harshly punished. Slave owners would hang them by their hands and then set their hands or feet on fire as a punishment. They were burned alive. Their heads were stuck on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.
From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English. Another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland's population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one decade. Britain didn't allow the fathers to take their wives and children with them, leaving homeless women and children in Britain so their solution was to auction them off as well.
Black slaves were competitors, meaning the owners selling them were competing with each other. They were more expensive to buy and so often treated better than the Irish slaves. In the early 1600's Black slaves cost 50 Sterling. Irish were no more than 5 Sterling. It was not a crime to beat one to death.. The Irish masters began breeding the Irish women for both their own pleasure and better profit. If a woman was able to buy her freedom, her children were still slaves and could not leave with her, so the mothers would remain as slaves.
The next way to get more profits was to breed the Irish women even as young as 12 with the Black men. These mulatto slaves cost more. This went on for several decades. In 1681, legislation was passed "forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men to make slaves for sale. It was passed because this practice was interfering with the profits of a large slave transport company.
England had shipped tens of thousands of Irish slaves for over a century. After the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands were sold to America and Australia and all slaves were being abused. One British ship dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so the crew could have enough food to eat.
Is this the way our Robinson ancestor came over? Is it possible he, with all the matching Irish genes, was not a British Puritan?
Somehow, Britain in 1839 finally ended transporting slaves. English pirates did continue as they did as they wanted.
From what I've read, most slaves went to the Islands to slave in the sugar plantations, or to the southern part of the USA in Virginia. I don't think as many went to New England but some did.
One of the Robinsons in the USA whose ancestor was John, born in South Carolina, did "Migration to America-England, Scotland, Ireland, America, from Robinson Roundup which I am reading. Their ancestors were also Scotch-Irish, but originated in England. Later, they had migrated to Scotland and then migrated later to northern Ireland in 1610 because King James I of England offered a colony of Scottish Protestant Lowlanders free land in Ulster, Ireland. It was later confiscated from the native Irish Catholics because of their bitter hostility towards the British Crown. King James wanted to establish a colony of people with strong loyalty for the English. The Scottish Lowlanders had intense racial pride and would not intermarry with the Irish. They also were the most uncompromising of Protestants and would not convert to Catholicism.
Between 1610 and 1620, 40,000 Scotch Presbyterians were settled in Ulster, Ireland. New laws passed in Ireland caused the Scotch-Irish immigration to America which didn't start until 1718. My Robinson's, according to my grandfather's oral history, were supposed to have come over after the Mayflower ship sailed in 1620, which could have been on one of the ships in the 1630 fleet, or even before that between 1620-1630. It's most possible, though, that they were of English origins that had migrated to Ireland. He had dropped out of school when he ran away from home at age 16-18, so I don't think he learned this in school. More likely it had been something he heard in his family. He was born in 1870.
Robinson has been found in records to be spelled as Roberson, as it was for mine in a few places. That's easy as the e and r could be miswritten for the i and n in cursive writing. Also, it's been seen as Robson, Robeson, and Robertson. In 1790 in the USA there were the 37th most popular surname. 4,652 Robinsons were counted. Now it's about 22nd with 435,000 adult Robinsons in America. No wonder I'm having a hard time finding our great great grandfather, the father of Abiathar Smith Robinson born December 1829 possibly in Vermont or New York.
In England, Robinsons had come from Bart, Berks, Cheshire, Oxford, Durham, Middlesex, Stafford, Tottenham, Lincoln, Northcumberland, Kentwall, Hall, Suffolk, York, Leicester and London and of course in Scotland and Ireland as well. I also found that my DNA match had traced his family to Meppershall, Bedfordshire, England, so they came from where they had last lived.
Monday, November 17, 2014
Looking for Abiathar Smith Robinson's Parents
Somewhere between New York, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine, my great grandfather, Abiathar Smith Robinson, lived. Where he was born on December 1829 was either New York or Vermont; most likely Vermont. At one time Vermont had been a part of New York.. There must have been a lot of snow on the ground and that could be the reason why it wasn't recorded. At least it hasn't made any paper records that I know of. I haven't been able to find it.
I note that the paper evidence spelling Robinson as Roberson.
Julia Ann was 17 years 2 months 11 days when she married. Abiathar was 23. Her first son was born that year, a Rix Robinson. She had 2 more boys each year after that. Her three boys were Rix, Edgar Clyde and Edward. By 1857 the family was in Canada where Nellie Elizabeth Robinson was born. Emma-or Hattie was also born in Canada in 1861. John C was born in Montreal, Canada in 1864. The next year of 1865 Julia was born back in Vermont. William was born in 1867 in Wenona, Illinois where the family had moved to and where the parents died. My grandfather was born in Wenona in 1870. Five years later along came a little sister, Minnie J. The last child was Arthur Roy in 1879.
After hitching up to Julia Ann, Abiathar stayed with her brother. She and Abiather lived next door to her younger brother Albert Tuller on the 1870 census of Wenona, Illinois. She was 36 and her brother was 27. Julia's headstone says died Dec. 2, 1887. Age 52. Records at Marshall Co. court house confirm this. The 1850 census for Royalton, VT lists her as 15 years old. She was on the 1880 census and listed as 45 years old.
8 generations ago gives us a 45.49% chance of sharing a common ancestor.
12 generations ago gives us a 77.78% chance. That would be 300 years ago in 1714.
16 generations ago gives us a 92.94% chance. That would be 400 years ago in 1614.
20 generations ago gives us a 98.10% chance. That would be 500 years ago in 1514 in England
24 generations ago gives us a 99.54% chance. That would be 600 years ago in 1414 in England.
Somehow we have to connect our tree back in the 1600's somehow. His family started in Massachusetts like ours was said to have started, and ended in Maine whereas ours went to Vermont and then Illinois. Our oral history from our grandfather Frank was that our ancestor came over not on the Mayflower but the ship after that. So no doubt that Massachusetts would have been the place to land before changing course.
We'll connect somewhere along the line. either in England or Massachusetts, but how for sure do I connect to his line. I'm not sure the Amos is the father as I have no paper proof of who it is, only where I should arrive eventually. We match up with a lot of people from Ireland in the DNA test. It could be some immigrant from Ireland that came over as an indentured servant was our ancestor or that they were indentured once way in the past. .
Wednesday, November 12, 2014
Amos Robinson of Royalton, Vermont Has to Be GGGrandpa
This is the ancestor I started with in figuring who must be Abiathar's father. Through him I have landed in Meppershall, England, matching my DNA match's findings of having Meppershall as our origin in England. "Meppershall is a hilltop village in Bedfordshire near Shefford,Campton, Shillington, Stondon and surrounded by farmland. The Village and the Manor House are mentioned in the Domesday Book in 1086."
There is a wonderful book that I procured through the library loan program about the History of Royalton, Vermont with all the genealogy in it. I was able to have the book for 3 weeks or a month a long time ago, and found it very hard to follow, but did the best I could in understanding her genealogy. Written by Lovejoy, it holds a lot besides Robinsons.
1. I start out with Abiathar's father being Amos Robinson born in 1797 in Royalton, Windsor, Vermont.
2. His father could have been Amos Robinson born in 1767 in Lebanon, New London, Connecticut
3. His father was Amos Robinson born in 1734 born in Lunenburg, Worcester, Massachusetts
4. His father was Amos Robinson born in 1711 born in Topsfield, Essex, Massachusetts
5. His father was Jacob Robinson born in 1680 in Topsfield, Essex, Massachusetts
6. His father was John Robinson born in 1641 in Haverhill, Essex, Massachusetts
7. His father was John Robinson born in 1611 in Meppershall, Bedfordshire, England
Why Abiathar hasn't been on any paper trail to his birth is beyond me, but evidently all births may not happen in a place where it is easily recorded.
Waiting for familyfinder results. They have to redo the test; status should be available by Nov 19th I hope.
Update 11/13/14 Reminded that another from this line had #393 allele as a 13, so this is the wrong tree.
Update 11/13/14 Ran into information on my own blog about a Daniel Robinson with family's testing showing #393 allele is a 12. He was born in 1627 in Scotland and lived in New haven CT. He married Hope Potter. His parents were Richard and Mary. http://robbins.wikispot.org/Daniel_Robins_(1627-1714)
I'll have to check into this.
Tuesday, November 11, 2014
Strafford, Orange Vermont's Robinson Cemetery Holds Key to Parentage
Abiathar Smith Robinson b December 1829 married Julia Ann Tuller of Royalton, Windsor, Vermont in the next door village of Tunbridge, Orange, Vermont on February 29, 1852 when Julia was 18 years old and he was 5 years older. I wondered why Julia married there and not Royalton, where she came from. Abiathar was living in Tunbridge at the time, at least in 1852. I believe the John Robinson, age 51, listed on the 1850 census living with Julia's family, was his father. So this is why. There were other Robinsons living in Tunbridge.
Friday, November 07, 2014
Abiathar Smith of Maine and Several Abiathar Robinsons
My googling uncovered an Abiathar Smith of Maine. This is very exciting since my ggrandfather, Abiathar Smith Robinson, doesn't seem to have any father in Vermont or New York, and DNA shows that we match a line of Robinsons who have been living in Maine!
A line in a bio says, "Mr. Holbrook's father, Elisha Holbrook, came from Cape Cod and settled at Isle au Haut about the year 1800. There he married a daughter of Abiathar Smith."
Cape Cod is in Massachusetts. My grandfather's oral history is that his ancestors came to America not on the Mayflower but a ship after that. The first Smith on our shores was Captain John Smith, but he went to Virginia. Since then, Smith is probably the most common name in the United States. Robinson is #16.
I never thought that there would ever be an Abiathar Smith. I thought Smith was simply his mother's maiden name, which is a custom in naming in England. It still must be, but who would have ever thought that an Abiathar would be connected to such a common name as Smith. Abiathar was quite important in the Bible.
"in the Hebrew Bible, son of Ahimelech or Ahijah, High Priest at Nob, the fourth in descent from Eli (1 Sam. 23:6) and the last of Eli's House. The only one of the priests to escape from Saul's massacre, he fled to David at Keilah, taking with him the ephod and other priestly regalies (1 Sam. 22:20 f., 23:6, 9). He was of great service to David, especially at the time of the rebellion of Absalom, his son. ."
My clues are now that Abiathar Smith settled in 1777.
in 1790 he was in Lincoln, Maine
1793 he was in Waldo, Maine at age 77; born in 1716
1800 he was in Hancock, Maine.
1810 he was in Plymouth, Massachusetts
He was in the Revolutionary War.
He was born in 1793.
In 1870 he lived in Waldo, Maine.
He was born in 1849 in St. Lawrence, New York
He was in Massachusetts military
He died in 1872 in Massachusetts
Spouse was Eunice Stewart of Massachusetts
Abiathar Richard Smith was born August 3, 1852 in Worcestershire, England and died August 16, 1909 in Ogden, Utah.
There are 40 Robinsons buried in Waldo, Maine but Captain Micah Robinson is the oldest, born 1782 and died 1859. He's not in my name bank.
Son or daughter was Abiah or Ablah born in 1781 in Granville, Massachusetts.
Son Erastus b abt 1777 in Granville married Sally Burnwell. They had no children listed. However, in looking back, I had found their ancestors.
Abiathar's father was :
1. Daniel Robinson, Captain. b: 1725 in Durham, Connecticut married to Abigail Curtis. I have 13 children listed for him.
2. David Robinson b: 1694 in Guilford, Connecticut. Married to Rebecca Miller. He had 13 children.
3. David Robinson b: 1660 in Gildford, Connecticut married to Abigail Kirby. He had 3 children (1 boy).
4. Thomas Robinson b: 1614 in Surrey, England, married Mary Wells, died in Hartford, Connecticut, had 8 children.
2. Abiathar Robinson b: June 22, 1788 in Foxborough, Norfolk, Massachusetts. Married Nancy Fisher. Died May 2, 1853
I have no children listed to follow.
My grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinson, said his family came on the ship after the Mayflower. I did find a Thomas Robinson age 31 on the Ann & Elizabeth on April 24, 1635. A 2nd check on this and I didn't see it again, but I did find others.
Elizabeth Robinson age 32 came over on the BLESSING in 1635. All the rest I list came in 1635.
Joseph Robinson age 5 may have been with her on the BLESSING.
Katherine Robinson age 12 BLESSING
Mary Robinson age 7 BLESSING
Sarah Robinson age 18 months BLESSING
Nicholas Robinson age 30 on BLESSING. (I have no Nicholas in my name bank of my program. )
Isaac (Isack) Robinson age 15 came over on the HOPEWELL 1635. He may have been Reverend John Robinson's son.
1. David Robinson age 20 on ship Bonaventure on April 3rd born 1615
2. John Robinson age 19 on ship Bonaventure on April 3rd born 1616
3. Thomas Robinson age 31 on Ann & Elizabeth on April 24 born 1604
4. William Robinson age 16 on Matthew on April 21 born 1619
5. John Robinson age 19 on Expedition on November 20th born 1616
6. Thomas Robinson age 15 on Expedition on November 15th born 1620
7. Leonard Robinson age 20 on Falcon on December 19th born 1615
8. James Robinson age 15 on Falcon on December 25th born 1620
Maybe Abiathar Smith Robinson is from a completely different line of an unknown Robinson I haven't found to work up. Maybe they can connect to James Alton's Maine Robinson line after all. I know we match very few Robinsons so are quite elusive; the last of a line, possibly. Strange that Abiathar could have entered Royalton, a city full of Robinsons, and not be related to any of them!
Thursday, November 06, 2014
John Robinson born 1611 in Meppershall, Bedfordshire, England and Died in Exeter, Rockingham, New Hampshire Should Be Our Ancestor
I just found out that of all the Robinsons on the Robinson listing at Family Tree DNA, only James Alton Robinson and my cousin match each other's haplotype of R-L21 or R1b1a2a1a1b4. . All my ideas of who Abiathar Smith Robinson's father was seems to fall by the wayside. I have to connect to this tree that leads to Meppershall's John Robinson.
I'm still stuck on the fact that a John Robinson age 51 with living with Julia Ann Tuller's family as a hired hand. He was listed on the 1850 census of Royalton, Vermont. Abiathar rode out of nowhere and married her in Tunbridge, Vermont, which is next door to Royalton. .
I found a Jonathan Pratt Robinson born 1799 in Barnstead, Belknap, New Hampshire who is on the tree of James Alton. I have no wife listed or information about him, but I am making him the father of Abiathar. He would have been 30 years old when Abiathar was born. He died April 18, 1863 in Roxbury, Massachusetts which is a neighborhood of Boston today. It's possible whoever answered the census taker just said John Robinson instead of Jonathan Pratt Robinson. If this doesn't hold water, I can still tap into this line through the wrangling I went through with another choice of a father from Royalton itself, Amos Robinson's son. Abiathar doesn't show up on any 1850 census to give me a clue.
Meppershall is a hilltop village in Bedfordshire near Shefford, Campton, Shillington, Stondon and surrounded by farmland. The Village and the Manor House are mentioned in the Domesday Book in 1086.There is only one thatched cottage in the village now, which was probably built around 1690-1700.
Our two Ydna matches of James Alton Robinson and Rick A Robinson of Canada lead to Meppershall, Bedfordshire, England where the first Robinson, John Robinson born February 9, 1611, had lived before moving to America. He was the son of John Robinson b: 1580, and Katherine Eden b: 1583, both of Meppershall. His parents died in England as far as I know.
A family of 9 children, John b: 1611 was the 5th.
Before the advent of greenhouses, Meppershall, England was a very poor community with large families living in two up, two down type thatched cottages built of brick with stone floors. However so many greenhouses were built in the village that it was known as "glass city" growing salad crops for local markets and shipped further afield via the railway. As well as farming the village earned its income from coprolite digging.
Newbury, Massachusetts Farm
One record I have is that John went to the Barbados Islands at age 19 which would have been in 1630.
He married Elizabeth Pemberton in December of 1641 at the age of 30 in Newbury, Essex, Massachusetts. A list of settlers in Newbury in 1642 does not list any Robinson or Pemberton. Settlers to Newbury came on ships from April 1634 to July 1635. It was the ship, Mary and John that arrived in 1635. This must be when he arrived, but he's not listed on this ship.. The reason for establishing Newbury, as stated above, was not in fleeing from religious persecution but to utilize vacant lands and to establish a profitable business for the members of a stock-raising company.
On Exeter, Rockingham, New Hampshsire: In 1651 he moved to Exeter, New Hampshire at the age of 40 and had had several children born in Newbury already. John and Elizabeth had 8 children, 6 boys and 2 girls. John died on September 18, 1675 in Exeter at the age of 63 years, 7 months and 1 day. He was killed by Indians.
. This is where The area was once the domain of the Squamscott Native Americans, a sub-tribe of the Pennacook nation, which fished at the falls where the Exeter River becomes the tidal Squamscott, the site around which the future town of Exeter would grow.
On April 3, 1638, the Reverend John Wheelwright and others purchased the land from Wehanownowit, the Sagamore. Wheelwright had been exiled by the Massachusetts Bay Colony, a Puritan theocracy, for sharing the dissident religious views of his sister-in-law, Anne Hutchinson. The minister took with him about 175 individuals to found the town he named after Exeter in Devon, England.
One of the four original townships in the province, Exeter originally included Newmarket, Newfields, Brentwood, Epping and Fremont. On July 4, 1639 35 freemen of Exeter signed the Exeter Combination, a document written by Reverend Wheelwright to establish their own government. The settlers hunted, planted and fished. Others tended cattle and swine, or made shakes and barrel staves.
Thomas Wilson established the first grist mill on the eastern side of the island in the lower falls. This mill was established within the first season of settling in Exeter, and his son Humphrey assumed control of the mill in 1643, when Thomas died. A gristmill (also: grist mill, corn mill or flour mill) grinds grain into flour. The term can refer to both the grinding mechanism and the building that holds it.
Some early Exeter settlers came from Hingham, Massachusetts, including the Gilman, Folsom and Leavitt families. In 1647, Edward Gilman, Jr. established the first sawmill, and by 1651 Gilman had his own 50-ton sloop with which to conduct his burgeoning business in lumber, staves and masts. Although he was lost at sea in 1653 while traveling to England to purchase equipment for his mills, his family later became prominent as lumbermen, shipbuilders, merchants and statesmen.
A Declaration of Rights and Plan of Government for the State of New-Hampshire, adopted by New Hampshire Convention at Exeter, June 1779
The Gilman family began trading as far as the West Indies with ships they owned out of Portsmouth. It was a high-stakes business. In an 1803 voyage, for instance, the 180-ton clipper 'Oliver Peabody,' owned by Gov. John Taylor Gilman, Oliver Peabody, Col. Gilman Leavitt and others, was boarded by brigs belonging to the Royal Navy under command of Admiral Horatio Nelson. Enforcing a blockade against the French, Nelson offered ship Captain Stephen Gilman of Exeter a glass of wine and paid him for his cargo in Spanish dollars. The trip demonstrates how far afield the ambitious merchants of Exeter reached in their trading forays.
Exeter suffered its last Indian raid in August 1723 and by 1725 the tribes had left the area. In 1774 the rebellious Provincial Congress began to meet in the Exeter Town House after Colonial Governor John Wentworth banned it from the colonial capitol at Portsmouth. In July 1775, the Provincial Congress had the provincial records seized from royal officials in Portsmouth and brought to Exeter as well. And so Exeter became New Hampshire's American Revolutionary War capital, an honor it held for 14 years until Concord assumed the role.
1862 map of Vermont and New Hampshire
Vermont is on the left or west side of New Hampshire
2. Jonathan Pratt Robinson b: 1799 Barnstead, Belknap, New Hampshire, d: Roxbury, Massachusetts
3. Jonathan Robinson b: 1766 Stratham, Rockingham, New Hampshire d: Gilmanton, Belknap, New Hampshire
4. Chase Robinson b: 1738 Stratham, Rockingham, New Hampshire, d: Meredith, Belknap, NH
5. Jonathan Robinson b: 1709 Exeter, Rockingham, New Hampshire, d: Pembroke, Merrimack, NH
6. John Robinson b: 1671 Exeter, Rockingham, New Hampshire, d: Exeter, Rockingham, NH
7. Jonathan Robinson 1645 Haverhill, Essex, Massachusetts d: Exeter, Rockingham, NH
8. JOHN ROBINSON 1611 Meppershall, Bedfordshire, England, d: Exeter, Rockingham, NH.
Whoops! One huge problem. In finding more Robinsons on this tree all day long by googling, I find a daughter was born to Jonathan Pratt Robinson born on February 4, 1830, meaning my Abiathar born December 29, 1829, does not work. Now all this time I didn't have a wife or siblings for Jonathan Pratt Robinson till late this evening. This was found on http://findagrave.com. Such is the life of a dedicated genealogist!
I then attached Abiathar to Cyrus B. Robinson b: 1808 in Royalton, Windsor, Vermont d: 1864, married to Thankful Preston. Cyrus was on the same tree, so we still have the same ancestor of Meppershall, England.
That was fine. He was a first child and had 2 younger sisters according to the records I have. There is no record of this. Cyrus is just available on the same tree. The good thing is he was from Royalton, Vermont, where Julia Ann lived. Interestinly, Cyrus is the son of the Amos Robinson and Elizabeth Hughes who went to Decatur, Illinois so early on, which is close to Wenona, Illinois. He went there in 1830 and then died there in 1836 and was buried in his own apple orchard. He also had a son named Hartwell. .
Problem: Susan Dudra's brother took the DNA test and we are not a match. They are directly connected to this Amos Robinson and Cyrus. We have very rare DNA. I'll have to find another father.
Notes from my genealogy program.