Robinson Genealogy

Nadene Goldfoot                             

Abiathar with son Frank Hugh Robinson, my grandfather (Y haplogroup:R-L21) https://thescotsirish.blogspot.com/2014/10/r-l21-haplogroup-and-scots-irish.html This same haplogroup should be carried by all the male ancestors and have reached Abiathar and his descendants; tested by his grandson.  Any Robinson with this same haplotype should be a descendant. of these New England Robinsons.

Ancestors of Abiathar Smith Robinson

1  [1] Abiathar Smith Robinson b: December 1829 in Roxbury, Delaware,New York/  Tunbridge, Orange/ Jamaica, Windham, Vermont d: October 07, 1904 in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois
.. +Julia Ann Tuller b: December 18, 1834 in Royalton, Windsor, Vermont d: December 02, 1887 in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois
*2nd Wife of [1] Abiathar Smith Robinson:
.. +Mary Jane Deffenbaugh Walters b: November 27, 1832 in Hocking County, Ohio d: July 05, 1918 in Streator, LaSalle, Illinois, age 85

Nadene Goldfoot                                    
         
Not all Robinsons are R1b, and not all are R-L21.  In fact, out of a Robinson study, we were one of two people listed with this exact title.  On a large Robinson study, we are the only other person with a DSY #393=12 and not 13 or another higher number.  We also have the 390 as a 21 and not a 24 or another number.   so our Y haplogroup starts off as 12-21-14-11-11-14-12-12-12- 13-13-29.

This seems to go along with the fact that I cannot find out exactly who our great grandfather's father was.  Abiathar Smith Robinson, born in December of 1829 in New York or Vermont, is without a father.  I've found so many who would be ideal.
                                                                             

Abiathar, born December 1829  with the beard and his son, Frank Hugh Robinson b: 1871. Abiathar had 10 children and Frank was #8.  Julia died at 52 after having 10 children. Nellie, Emma and John were born in Canada, where the family went during the Civil War.  They returned not to Vermont when it was over but to Wenona, Illinois.

The Hg R1b-L21 Distribution centers in Great Britain, seemingly in Ireland since we had so many matches from there.  A David Reynolds has his name on the map showing such distribution from NW ISOGG.

Our great grandfather, Abiathar, passed his genes onto our generation and our cousin, Kenneth tested.  David Reynolds shows that R1b1a2a1a1b....P312/S116 evolved with increasing detail to the next state which is our state:  R1b1a2a1a1b4...or R-L21/    There is more said of others...M529/S145, L459.

The male line is more interesting to study, I believe, than the female mt haplogroup  The Y-DNA, is passed unchanged from father to son.  All descendants of a man, in a straight male line of descent, will share the same Y-DNA.  That's true also for the female, but our names keep changing.  Also, the dna for the female comes from a different part of the cell.

The Y haplogroup will have some mutations happening.  That's what makes it possible to trace.
                                                                           

The location of Turkey (within the rectangle) in reference to the European continent. Anatolia roughly corresponds to the Asian part of Turkey, except the eastern parts historically known as the Armenian Highlands.

The evolution of R1b men has gone from East to West in their evolution.  The question has been whether or not our origin was in ancient Anatolia (Turkey)  or Assyria. This must account for the DYS being a 12 as there is no % of my cousins's origins in the Middle East.  He has 11% of his DNA from the British Isles.  I only have 3%  from the British Isles but my brother has 45%  What a disparity here!

This old news is most interesting to me about matching to Kings and Queens of Great Britain.  I HAVE  traced our line to the Royals through not a Robinson but through an Ann Hyde.  If I chose the correct father to Abiathar, we might be able to claim that route also, but through Abiathar's wife, we have the Hydes, and Ann Hyde is the connection.  Ann had married Descendants of King James, II, Duke of York and VII,  Ann is half 3rd cousin 10 times removed to my Robinson cousin.

1   King James, II, Duke of York and VII b: October 14, 1633 in St. James Palace, London, England d: September 16, 1701 in St. Germain-en-Laye, France
.. +ANNE HYDE b: March 22, 1637/38 in Cranbourne Lodge, Windsor in Berkshire,Windsor, England d: April 10, 1671 in London, England
. 2   Mary II of England, Queen England, Scotland, Ire b: April 30, 1662 in St. James's Palace in London, England d: December 28, 1694 in Kensington Palace, London, England
..... +William III andII, King England, Scotland, Irel b: November 04, 1650 in The Hague in the Dutch Republic , House of Orange-Nassau d: March 08, 1701/02
. 2   Anne of Great Britain, Queen b: February 06, 1664/65 in St. James' Palace, London, England d: 1714 in Kensington Palace, London, England
..... +Prince George " Jørgen (Oldenburg) Fredericksen b: April 02, 1653 in Copenhagen, Denmark, House of Oldenburg d: October 28, 1708 in Kensington Palace, London, England
. 2   Girl England b: February 09, 1670/71
. 2   Duke of Cambridge Charles
. 2   Duke of Cambridge James
. 2   Duke of Kendal Charles
. 2   Duke of Cambridge Edgar
Read:  http://wwwrobinsongenealogy.blogspot.com/2016/02/robinson-connection-to-kings-and-queens.html

However, " July 16, 2012 -- BIG NEWS! The Royal House of Stewart is R-L21! Richard Scott, the 10th Duke of Buccleuch, was tested and found to be L744+ L745+ (L21>DF13>DF41>L744>L745) and an exact match (on how many markers?) of a descendant of Charles Stewart of Ardshiel, who fought at Culloden. The House of Stewart produced a number of famous kings and queens of Scotland and England, including James VI/I (of Scotland and England, respectively) of King James Bible fame. If you are interested in this and have tested DF13+, test for DF41 first. If you get a DF41+ result, then follow up by testing for L744. If you get an L744+ result, then test for L745." 

Here's 2 generations of our family of Robinson. There's always room for errors, but I think it's pretty accurate.
Descendants of Abiathar Smith Robinson

1   [4] Abiathar Smith Robinson b: December 1829 in New York/  Tunbridge, Orange/ Jamaica, Windham, Vermont d: October 07, 1904 in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois
. +Julia Ann Tuller b: December 18, 1834 in Royalton, Windsor, Vermont d: December 02, 1887 in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois
.... 2   [1] Edward Rix Robinson b: November 1852 in Vermont d: in 1922
........ +Charlotte Nettie Anette Jenette Jenson b: 1835 in Pennsylvania d: in Illinois
.... *2nd Wife of [1] Edward Rix Robinson:
........ +Nora E. Gunning Stull b: 1856
.... *3rd Wife of [1] Edward Rix Robinson:
........ +Nora E Gunning Stull b: 1836 in Indiana
.... 2   Edgar Clyde Clayton Robinson b: 1853 in Vermont/Illinois d: 1903 in Wenona, Illinois
........ +Mary Elizabeth Acuff b: 1859 in Illinois
.... 2   [2] Nellie Elizabeth Robinson b: October 1857 in Upper Canada (Eng.) d: December 28, 1905 in Omaha, Nebraska, Douglas County
........ +Daniel C.G. McCullom McCollem b: August 15, 1857 in prob. Magnolia, Putnam, Illinois d: March 07, 1891 in Omaha, Nebraska, age 36
.... *2nd Husband of [2] Nellie Elizabeth Robinson:
........ +Alexander Charles Sillik b: July 17, 1855 in Ohio/Livingston, Madison, Illinois d: July 07, 1923 in Tulsa, Oklahoma
.... 2   Emma "Hattie" Robinson b: August 1861 in Canada d: December 29, 1930 in Streater, La Salle, Illinois
........ +George D. Miller b: September 23, 1855 in Wenona, Marshall County, Illinois d: July 02, 1924 in prob. Wenona, Illinois
.... 2   John C. Robinson b: April 21, 1864 in Montreal, Canada (Eng). d: June 05, 1923 in La Salle, Illinois
........ +Hermia Howell b: August 09, 1863 in Dana, LaSalle, Illinois d: October 27, 1936 in La Salle, Illinois
.... 2   Julia Robinson b: 1865 in Vermont d: 1903
.... 2   William S. Robinson b: June 1867 in prob. Wenona, Marshall County, Illinois d: April 19, 1935 in Peoria/ LaSalle,  Illinois
........ +Carrie A. Monninger b: February 05, 1867 in Dana, Illinois d: December 14, 1943 in Davenport, Iowa
.... 2   [3] Frank Hugh Robinson b: June 21, 1870 in Wenona,Marshall County, Illinois d: May 27, 1952 in Hillsboro,Washington County,  Oregon, age 81
........ +Alice Mitchell b: January 1877 in Iowa d: 1902 in Iowa/Nebraska
.... *2nd Wife of [3] Frank Hugh Robinson:
........ +Gustafva"Augusta" Johansson Gustafson b: January 31, 1870 in (Village) Lumsheden, Svardsjo parish, Kopparbergs lan (county)Dalarna Province,  Sweden d: April 19, 1955 in Hillsboro, Washington County, Oregon, age 85
.... 2   Minnie J. Robinson b: November 1875 in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois d: 1923 in Illinois
........ +Louis Sherman Cusac b: January 20, 1866 in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois, d: October 05, 1944 in Limestone Twp., Peoria County, Illinois
.... 2   Arthur Roy Robinson b: May 18, 1879 in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois d: April 17, 1927 in Peoria, Illinois, Peoria County Hospital
........ +Minnie Mae "Ross"Smith b: June 22, 1885 in Varna, Marshall, Illinois d: February 07, 1974 in Chillicothe, Peoria, Illinois
*2nd Wife of [4] Abiathar Smith Robinson:
. +Mary Jane Unknown Walters b: November 1832 in Ohio d: July 1918 in Streator, Illinois, age 85
Resource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-l21/about/background
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-l21-south-irish/about/background

                                                                         

Frank Hugh Robinson b: Wenona, Marshall, Illinois,  said his family came from Wales.

Nadene Goldfoot
Dedicated to Mother
Mildred Elizabeth Robinson          
My grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinson, spoke of his ancestors as having come from Wales.  I thought he must have been mixed up since I haven't found any Pilgrim coming from Wales; information always says England.
                                                                         
Being my maternal cousin whose father was my mother's brother, a Robinson, has had the Y haplogroup test and is R-L21 or R1b1a2a1a1b4, I checked on this:
DYS 393=12; 390=21; 19/394=14; 391=11; 385a=11; 385b=14; 426=12; 388=12; 439=12; 389-1=13; 392=13; 389-2=29 are the 1st alleles tested.

"Y-DNA haplogroups carried by members of "The Wales Cymru DNA Project" include E1b1a1 (E-L117), E1b1a1a1b1a (E-V13), E1b1a1b2a1a (E-M34), G1a1a1, G2a1, I1 (I-M253), I1d1a1a, I2c2a (I-M223, I-P37, etc.), J1, J2, R1a1a (R-M512, R-M198, R-M173, R-Z280), R1b1a (R-M269, R-M173, R-L21), and R1b1a1a1a1a (R-P312), among others. Mitochondrial DNA haplogroups carried by members include H, H3c2b, H1au1a, H10e, H6a1b2, H7b3, I, J, K1b2a2, K2a, T2, U3, U5, and others.

So it is possible that our distant ancestors did come from Wales.  How did my grandfather know this?
He knew that his father was Abiathar Smith Robinson but we have no records of who his father was.
All we know is that there was a John Robinson on the 1850 census of Royalton, Windsor, Vermont who was a farm hand and boarder with Julia Ann Tuller's family.  Julia Ann later married Abiathar Smith Robinson in Tunbridge, Orange, Vermont which is next door to Royalton.  Otherwise, there is no record anywhere for Abiathar b: December 1829 before 1852 when I found them marrying there.
Finding a "John Robinson" is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
                                                                         

There have been major studies of the Welch.  "Michael E. Weale, Deborah A. Weiss, Rolf F. Jager, Neil Bradman, and Mark G. Thomas. "Y Chromosome Evidence for Anglo-Saxon Mass Migration." Molecular Biology and Evolution 19:7 (2002): pages 1008-1021. They studied English, Welsh, Norwegian, and Frisian men and genetically compared them to each other. Samples included males from 2 towns in North Wales (Abergele and Llangefni) and 5 towns in England as far east as North Walsham in East Anglia. The sampled men from Central English towns genetically resembled each other closely, in contrast to the North Welsh men who "differed significantly both from each other and from the Central English towns." They found common Germanic roots of the English and Frisian males in the study, confirming that the Anglo-Saxons (but not the Welsh) are largely descended from people not indigenous to the British Isles. Excerpts from the article:

"Our results indicate the presence of a strong genetic barrier between Central England and North Wales and the virtual absence of a barrier between Central England and Friesland. [...] The best explanation for our findings is that the Anglo-Saxon cultural transition in Central England coincided with a mass immigration from the continent. Such an event would simultaneously explain both the high Central English-Frisian affinity and the low Central English-North Welsh affinity. [...] Anglo-Saxon settlements and culture appeared throughout England but, importantly, did not extend into North Wales, where many of the original Celtic Britons living in England are thought to have fled [...]""

How my Robinson line differs from most R1b1 people is that DYS allele 393 is a 12.  Most have 13.  This may be what puts us in the R-L21 grouping.  

""Welsh people could be most ancient in UK, DNA suggests." BBC News (June 19, 2012). This is another article about Professor Donnelly's team's research. Excerpts from the article:

"[...] DNA samples were analysed at about 500,000 different points. After comparing statistics, a map was compiled which showed Wales and Cornwall stood out. Prof Donnelly said: 'People from Wales are genetically relatively distinct, they look different genetically from much of the rest of mainland Britain, and actually people in north Wales look relatively distinct from people in south Wales.' While there were traces of migrant groups across the UK, there were fewer in Wales and Cornwall. He said people from south and north Wales genetically have 'fairly large similarities with the ancestry of people from Ireland on the one hand and France on the other, which we think is most likely to be a combination of remnants of very ancient populations who moved across into Britain after the last Ice Age. [...]'"  We have more matches with the Irish than English.                                              

 He said it was possible that people came over from Ireland to north Wales because it was the closest point, and the same for people coming to south Wales from the continent, as it was nearer. However he added: 'We don't really have the historical evidence about what those genetic inputs were.' [...] Because of its westerly position and mountainous nature, Anglo-Saxons who moved into central and eastern England after the Romans left did not come that far west, and neither did the Vikings who arrived in around 900AD. [...] The mountains were also the reason why [Welsh] DNA may have remained relatively unchanged, as people would have found it harder to get from north to south Wales or into England compared with people trying to move across the flatter southern English counties, making them more likely to marry locally and conserve more ancient DNA. [...]"
                                                                           

Conwy Castle, Wales Conwy Castle is a medieval fortification in Conwy, on the north coast of Wales. It was built by Edward I, during his conquest of Wales, between 1283 and 1289. Wikipedia

"- the classic Celtic Y chromosome marker R1b S145 being carried by a whopping 45% of Welsh men, as opposed to just 15% over on the other side of Offa's Dyke. We have always known that Wales is different from England, but now here is a statistic that shows there is no question about it."
But we are R-L21.  Where is that compared to S145?  

FTDNA reports that: "There are over 1,500 branches and over 5,000 SNPs on FTDNA's R1b-L21 haplotree. The larger subclades are marked by CTS4466+, DF13+, DF21+, DF41+, DF49+, DF63+, FGC5494+, L1335+, L513+, S1026+, Z1051+, M222+, Z251+, Z253+, Z255+, Z2542+. "

 Haplogroup.  R-L21 Haplogroup and the growing number of downstream (more recent in chronology) is the haplogroup of the majority of the Scots-Irish.  Historically it represents the 'Western Atlantic Celtic' population, which includes the Insular Celts, both Gaelic and Cumbric.   

"By the mid-1st millennium, with the expansion of the Roman Empire and the Migration Period of Germanic peoples, Celtic culture and Insular Celtic languages had become restricted to Ireland, the western and northern parts of Great Britain (Wales, Scotland, and Cornwall), the Isle of Man, and Brittany. Between the 5th and 8th centuries, the Celtic-speaking communities in these Atlantic regions emerged as a reasonably cohesive cultural entity. They had a common linguistic, religious and artistic heritage that distinguished them from the culture of the surrounding polities.^[10] By the 6th century, however, the Continental Celtic languages were no longer in wide use."
                                                                   

In 1970 Mary Therese Winifred Bourke in Ballina, County Mayo, Ireland in 1944, married Nicholas Robinson, with whom she had a relationship since they were fellow law students and who was then practicing as a solicitor.  She has since become the 7th President of Ireland that was over in 1997.  
                                                                   

Harry Rhys Robinson (born 16 April 1993) is a former rugby union player who played on the wing for Cardiff Blues and the Scarlets and won 3 caps at international level for Wales.
Matthew Fitz David Robinson is a former Wales International Rugby Union player. A centre or wing, Robinson began his rugby career at Newport High School Old Boys before joining Swansea.
Carl Robinson (born 13 October 1976) is a retired Welsh footballer who played as a midfielder; he is currently the head coach for Vancouver Whitecaps FC in Major League Soccer.
Jamie Peter Robinson (born April 7, 1980 in Penarth, Wales) is a retired Wales international rugby union footballer who played at outside centre. He attended Ysgol Gyfun Gymraeg Glantaf with younger brother Nick Robinson. He speaks Welsh fluently.^[1]

This will please my cousin who is a retired Coach.  

• England (3,663)
• Ireland (1,514)
• Great Britain (569)
• Scotland (422)
• Bermuda (67)
• Germany (61)

I live in Wales, but my family came from Gloucestershire. Paper records suggest that we came from Ponteland, Northumberland. My DNA confirms we were originally Scottish, and I am very close to other septs of clan Donnachaidh including Robertson, Reid, Duncun and Inches, but there are a number of paternal lines in the clan including those of saxon as well as gaelic origin. I'm related to a chunk of them - not all. In some cases Robinson (Clan Gun) can also be a corruption of Robertson, as a result in my DNA results suggests. 

The Adams family also has this haplogroup and said:  It is important to note that the Adams families represented on this website have an R1b1a2a1a1b4f haplotype which is a branch of the Nordic line as part of the L21 subclade. More specifically our DNA contains the Z255+ and L159.2+/S169.2 mutation The presence of the marker L159 also known as L159.2 because of a parallel mutation that also exists inside haplogroup I2a1 (L159.1) means our Adams are associated with the Kings of Leinster and Diarmait Mac Murchada. It can also be found in the coastal areas of the Irish Sea including the Isle of Man and the Hebrides, as well as Norway, western and southern Scotland, northern and southern England, northeast France, andnorthern Denmark.[57]


Resource: http://www.writerlyhaphazardry.net/?p=2039  Irish Ancestor Hunt
 http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/welsh.html
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-l21/about/background
http://thescotsirish.blogspot.com/2014/10/r-l21-haplogroup-and-scots-irish.html
http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=robinson
http://www.clansandnames.org/forum/read.php?1,103
https://dna-explained.com/2013/03/31/new-y-dna-haplogroup-naming-convention/
http://adamsfamilydna.com/haplogroup-r1b-r1b1a2a1a1b4f-subclade-l21/
http://www.writerlyhaphazardry.net/?p=2039