Saturday, August 03, 2019

 

My Amazing North American United States of America



Nadene Goldfoot

I'm inspired.  Young people are questioning that state of affairs that has shaped America and why we have done the things that have happened and yet feel such pride in this country.  We have Europe and Russia in awe.  Russia, it seems, wants to have our power but not our Democracy; that's what they'd like to destroy, and our young people, not studying their history, think socialism is the way to go, that they are entitled to everything, that America can provide everything for nothing in return for tax money from the workers.  This is not a honey-bee society divided into the drones, the workers, and the queen bee;  sorry.  
                                                   

Why do we have such a powerful awesome country?  Have you ever looked at the map to see 50 states belonging to one union and not be the USSR?  It's the USA!  United States of America!

It's one huge continent that half is unified under one government, and that's a huge accomplishment.  Therein lies our power!   To manage this miracle, our presidents from Jefferson on had to be inspired and forward thinkers, for they had endured a lot of criticism in getting this achievement accomplished.  

Israel lost their power when Israel broke in half with the tribe of Judah and Benjamin in the south and the 10 other tribes in the north, each having their separate government.  The American Civil War almost caused the same thing to happen, and this weakens the power of the unified whole.  
                                                  

               Henry VIII was King of England from 1509 until his death in 1547. 
He was the second Tudor monarch, succeeding his father Henry VII. Henry is best known for his six marriages, in particular his efforts to have his first marriage annulled.
In the beginning, England ruled their people's religion and had taken away Catholicism and replaced it with Episcopalians.  It was Henry VIII who caused this. 

 A group of stubborn believers in their own ideas of religion moved out to Holland and an enterprising Reverend John Robinson led his people in religion.  The group noticed their children were speaking Dutch, and they were not communicating well, so John got them to board the Mayflower and they came over in 1620 and landed in a storm out of the way of their  planned docking, in what was to become Massachusetts.  

                               Descendanats of JOHN (Rev.) Robinson 
1. JOHN (Rev.) Robinson b: Bet.1575-`576 in Sturton, Nottinghamshire, or 
Lincolnshire, England  d: Februrary 19, 1624/25 in Leyden, Holland...
  + Bridget White b: 1579 in Sturton, Nottingham;shire, England  d: 1643 in
Massachusetts.
Pilgrims settled in New England, and many were Robinsons.  Ours
probably came from the Stuart line of Robinsons in Scotland, but English-speaking  John Robinson, Reverend in Holland
sent his son Isaac on a later ship to America:



The American   Revolutionary 1776 Soldiers 
England had already sent a colony of people to the South earlier who were in business of cultivating cotton, tobacco, etc.  

"Their voyage took about two months, and the passengers enjoyed a happier experience than most trans-Atlantic trips. One death was suffered and one child was born. The child was named OCEANUS after the watery depths beneath them."  Today you'd think you were in a space ship out to land on Mars.  
The Mayflower during its trans-Atlantic voyage of September 6 – November 9, 1620, the majority of them becoming the settlers of Plymouth Colony in what is now Massachusetts. Of the passengers, 37 were members of the Leiden Separatist congregation seeking to create a foundation of Christianity according to their own theology in the New World. The Mayflower launched with 102 passengers — 74 male and 28 female — and a crew headed by Master Christopher Jones.

About half of these emigrants died in the first winter. Many Americans can trace their ancestry back to one or more of these individuals who, 'Saints' and 'Strangers' together, would become known as the Pilgrims.

Half of those who boarded this tiny sailing vessel who rode the ocean that was so unknown to people, died within the year after making a landing. They were so young and full of hope.    While still boarded, they put their heads together and wrote THE MAYFLOWER COMPACT.  

"The Mayflower Compact is best described as an agreement signed by the male settlers aboard the Mayflower to accept whatever form of government they established when they landed at Cape Cod in Massachusetts. According to History.com, it was the first written outline of government in what later became the United States."

The 102 men, women and children aboard the Mayflower included both Pilgrims and non-Puritans such as Miles Standish and John Alden. Originally heading for Virginia, they were blown off course by a storm and ended up in Cape Cod, Massachusetts, which was outside the jurisdiction of existing chartered companies, in November 1620. They named the new land Plymouth after the harbor in England from which they left. Since they were independent, they created their own government under the Mayflower Compact. It was not exactly voluntary, as before male colonists went ashore, they had to sign the agreement. The Mayflower Compact remained valid until 1686 when the Plymouth colony became part of the Dominion of New England. In 1691, this became part of the larger Massachusetts Bay Colony.

Soon we had not only England wanting land in this new land but the French, Spanish, and even the Russians.  We bought Alaska from the Russians, the Louisiana Territory from the French, and managed to eventually take land from Spanish holdings of New Mexico, Texas, California and Arizona, etc.  In the Oregon Country we almost lost all to Canada, a French and English holding.
Our Constitution:  We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union- establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

To think that this land may have been divvied up like a quilt to all these countries instead of what it is is amazing.  To do it, the Native American bit the dust.  They had lost this land because they themselves were not at the same level that we were.  It was like the Romans attacking Israel before 70 CE; when they occupied the land and one  step leads to another; then they took it forcefully. 

The Native Americans, or Indians as we called them, as Columbus thought he had landed in India and instead had come up on islands outside of the Americas and called the inhabitants Indians.  There he found a people at the level of the hunters and gatherers who had created their own civilization.  They lived in the lap of the Garden of Eden, in a way, with food for their picking and hunting.  They lived in clans, and the eastern board of America had people with a higher level of sophistication, creating government.  It seems that crossing the Bering Straights was not done at one time but had people crossing over the generations from various parts of Asia.  Most all bore the haplogroup, however, of today's modern science tag of Q, even the South American native people.  The origins seem to be from Siberia, Mongolia and parts of Turkey some 24,000 years ago.  They had no reasons to change their habits, until their Garden of Eden was invaded by the outside; Europeans.  

I'm afraid that the Europeans-turned Americans were not at a very high level, either at this time from 1620 to about 1920.  They had no heart with their replacement theory of eliminating the native people with themselves.  Even their own religion did not touch the hearts of their army.  They saw these strange people as sub-humans, probably much like homo-sapiens viewed Neanderthals, since we don't have any Neanderthals in society today, or do we?  We've mingled our blood lines with both, overpowering them in the act.  Today many Native Americans live on a sub-level compared to their white counterparts in the large cities in an alcoholic stupor, for we find their intolerance to alcohol after thousands of years of not having any in their culture.  That's what we have done to so many proud people.  Yes, they have suffered at our expense.  Oh 
yes, the English had brought over their spirits since they dared not drink water-
probably contaminated.  

Our  Constitution was written by gifted men.  I don't believe they even realized the depth of their writings but do believe they were "in the zone of creativity" when they put their minds to work on the  perfect creation of a democratic society.  Wasn't it Jefferson who wrote of all men being created equal yet kept his own slaves?  This shows the depth of the practice of having slaves since Greek and Roman days.  England's rulers always had people waiting on them, slaves or less who were owned by the rulers.  Their minds could not fathom a world without slavery, yet England did so before the USA in freeing their Blacks.  I remember that I could not imagine a TV set, as I was born in the days of the radio only, and a simple phonograph.  It's hard to break the mold and imagine something so different, yet when you do, it makes room and encourages more imaginative thoughts.  

Like Israel, the USA is made up of people from all over the world who are freedom loving and have respect for our laws and our government.  They have given up their connection to any other government and their wishes, giving themselves to the care of the USA.  Some of us today are even allowed to have dual citizenship as I do with the USA where I was born and to Israel, my father's ancestral homeland.  There's no problem with this as the 2 countries share the same belief systems of government if not religion.  I like the fact that Christianity is piggy-backed with Judaism, though, and has much in common, both compatible with Democracy.  
                                                           

The USA was founded and nourished with the blood of Christians from 1620 on, and maintains their government on a Christian calendar of religious events, with the Sabbath on Sunday, celebrating the holidays of Easter, Halloween and Christmas.  It has made room to accommodate other religions as well, to a degree, though I never did experience freedom in asking for a day off for Yom Kippur as a teacher.  I tried so hard to beat the hunters who had first choice-as this came at the same time as the "hunting season."  Yes, it is a Christian country with a lot of other religions in it.  They founded the country and they are sharing it with us.  I can own a home and can get education in my choice of a profession. 

 Anti-Semitism was running rampid in the 20's bringing in the same value system as Europe towards Jews, but has improved by the middle 1950s, though it's back again, but not to the level that Sweden or England is now seeing.

Coming from a Jewish father and a blue-blooded Yankee's daughter of Vermont, I've been able to trace my Robinson roots back to a ship after the Mayflower, though not sure which one.  I've read our history and see that we have had ancestors in the Revolutionary War, Battle of 1812, Civil War, WWI and WWII from the Robinson side.  We've had people fight for the right to live here.  It was a haven for my father's parents who came over from Eastern Europe as illiterate peasants that have produced 2 PhDs, master's, and plenty of college graduates, all making a living.    The genes were in place, the freedom had not been for them until landing in the USA, a people kept uneducated in Lithuania.  My Robinsons haven't done badly, either; also enjoying many teachers out of our family.  Now I see a Robinson Tower of glass in Singapore, no doubt an English Robinson there somehow.  We do have the Robinson Gate in Jerusalem, though, most likely not our Robinson, but you never know, an Edward Robinson.  I've even discovered I'm related to Jewish Robinsons of eastern European heritage, the name originally being slightly different.  

To me, no socialism or give a-ways to people physically fit has been in the USA and should not seep in. People, including myself, do not appreciate anything they haven't had to work for.  By the sweat of our brow we love what we have earned.  It's true.  It's psychological.  We put more effort into something when we have to pay for it ourselves.   They can work-sing for their supper.  The people that have my heart are the Native Americans.  We could and should start a program now doing everything in our power to improve their destiny and give them the training and education they would like to have.  If we have the brains for an occupation, then it should not be out of our reach, either.  But it shouldn't be given out like lollipops from a doctor after a visit.  Even in the Torah, The poor or the sick and disabled could have a relative pick the gleanings after harvest-do the work of getting it, and wheat was free for them after working for it. In that way they were able to keep their self respect.   
                                                              
Cherokee Indian 
Hawaii has a Polynesian Cultural Center.  Our native Americans need the same thing.  I would love to spend a day going through it.  We need to recharge this group of people in every state, as every state was home to certain tribes.  I spent some time in Montana with the Native American children and saw the difference when they were learning of their own Indian lore from an Indian counselor-teacher.  I was intrigued and about to assert my case of being tribal-Goldfoot-not of the Blackfoot tribe, however.  They all need to have this experience, not just the ones assigned to a Rehab center-the last outpost for them before prison.  I'll share something with my readers;  the higher your education is, the more you see the relevance of what is being taught to these youngsters of their Indian heritage.  It's so important.  It's fascinating!  

Summing it all up, the USA, only 243 years old with a birthday July 4, 1776, is a very young and vibrant country that is larger than any other expect maybe Russia and China who are much older and Communistic.  It has made its share of mistakes, but keeps on trying to correct them.  Thank goodness we're back to not being afraid to show our love for our country.  We need to continue our energy as it was in our beginnings; proud to have such a land full of dedicated people.  The area of all 50 states is 3,794,083 sq. miles.  Russia is 6.6 million sq. miles.  According to the Britannica Encyclopedia, the area of China is 3,696,100 square miles.  

Resource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Rock
http://www.ushistory.org/us/3a.asp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mayflower_passengers *****
https://constitutioncenter.org/media/files/constitution.pdf






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Sunday, October 22, 2017

 

The England That Pilgrims Left

Nadene Goldfoot                                         
The birth of the United States was almost like a miracle considering what civilization was like by 1620 when the Mayflower left Holland with a group of their refugees from England.  These Pilgrims had a view of life they had dreamed of after studying their Old Testament in their bible and had higher goals for their future than they had had in England or Holland.  They were the descendants of a Medieval England where people were not free, but serfs, working the land for a landowner.  These people had religious ideals  that were not being met in England where they had no religious freedom, and in Holland they were losing their English language.  They had to make a choice.  Risk everything, even their new comforts, for a try in a new land.  Reverend John Robinson said to do it.  His son Isaac, followed later in the next ship.
                                                                         
Giving thanks for their life with neighbors, the Indians
who helped them survive. "The English colonists we call Pilgrims celebrated days of thanksgiving as part of their religion. But these were days of prayer, not days of feasting. Our national holiday really stems from the feast held in the autumn of 1621 by the Pilgrims and the Wampanoag Indians to celebrate the colony's first successful harvest.
Pilgrims had no knowledge of Jews and their standards other than what they read in the Bible.  Jews were exiled out of England in 1290  by Edward I and would not be allowed to return until attitudes or needs changed in 1655.  Anti-Semitism at its worse had come from their Christian religious beliefs in which the few Jews they knew of were looked on as aliens in England, and because Jews were defiant in not accepting Christianity, so were said to be evil people.  Shakespeare's plays didn't help the situation, either, merely focusing on common attitudes then.  Shakespeare was born on the 26th of April, 1564.  He never met a Jew.
                                                                         
Jews lived almost 4,000 years ago in the land of Canaan which became Israel.  Moses brought a concept given to him through G-d that Jews were to live by,  that would bring harmony in the world.  When I look at what life was like in England only 1,000 years ago, it makes me shudder and thank G-d that I was born today.  Even the Pilgrims lived in a slightly improved world, and they risked their lives sailing in that tiny Mayflower on a sea that was  surely bent on destroying them.  They risked their lives to get onto this land and start a new way of living.  Their goals would be reached and would become a beacon of light in a world of darkness.

Jews had lived in England when their ancestors had immigrated from France and the Rhineland in the wake of the Conqueror, William in 1066 who needed their financial knowledge and connections to fund his military and his castle and church building activities.  It was not a Democratic country.
                                                                           
1189: Richard I, also called Richard the Lionheart, is crowned and London's Jews are massacred. "When King Richard the Lionheart was crowned, Jewish dignitaries who brought him gifts were stripped, whipped and banished from the court. This snowballed into a large-scale pogrom."

  Christian canon law forbade Christians to lend money and charging interest so the Jews were needed for this  part of life in medieval days.  Nobody is out of his mind enough to loan money without charging for it because it was not always paid back.  (Only parents today do such things for their children.)   This brought about trade by lending the capitol needed in which they would charge interest.  This was the ONLY business they were allowed to do.  Jews were forbidden to enter a trade or a craft in England or to own or rent land, so even farming was out.  To do so meant they would HAVE TO become a member of their trade society and swear an oath to the Holy Trinity,  This, of course, kept all people out that were not Christians.
                                                                         
Serfs working land in Middle Ages
Actually, nobody owned land except the gentry, the royalty.  All farming was done as peons who were owned by the gentry.  They really were like slaves, but were even taxed.  Like the USA in the 1800s, most people were farmers.  In England at this time, it was also true.  Most people were living in the country, with England and Wales having about 1,500 market towns where they could bring their products.  Rural manors, owners of the land,  had their Roman-like villas become a farm designed to feed the market.  Ten million sheep produced 40,000 sacks of wool each year for an international cloth market.  London was the largest town.  Next in size were York, Norwich and Coventry  which had 10,000 to 13,000 population each.
                                                                         
The GREAT FAMINE occurred in 1315 and lasted until 1322, starting with a bad harvest in 1314.  This was followed with wet miserable weather for 2 years.  Then they were hit with a sheep and cattle disease.  Many people died but many babies were also born.  Men paid for the hand of a woman in marriage with 5 marks or even 2 shillings.  The BLACK DEATH entered the land in 1348.  Bubonic plague came in an early summer and flourished in warm weather.  Europe's population were also dying by the millions.  It came with an army who were on ships bound for Europe, Africa  and the Near East.

As the Black Death epidemics devastated Europe in the mid-14th century, causing the death of a large part of the population, Jews were used as scapegoats. Rumors spread that they caused the disease by deliberately poisoning wells. Hundreds of Jewish communities were destroyed in numerous persecutions. Although Pope Clement VI tried to protect them by issuing two papal bulls in 1348, the first on 6 July and an additional one several months later, 900 Jews were burned alive in Strasbourg, France,  where the plague had not yet affected the city.                                               
forced to wear a yellow badge

                                                                       
Jews were forced to wear special hats to identify them
In 1274, Edward I of England enacted the Statute of Jewry, which also included a requirement of Jewish identification, usually using a yellow badge:
Each Jew, after he is seven years old, shall wear a distinguishing mark on his outer garment, that is to say, in the form of two Tables joined, of yellow felt of the length of six inches and of the breadth of three inches. 
Jews had been under the protection of William and his succeeding English monarchs, who taxed the Jews highly and treated them like their flock of sheep, always available for shearing, vulnerable to wolves.  The Jews provided English kings, nobles and churchmen with the capital for major projects:  palaces, houses, cathedrals such as Lincoln and Peterborough, and the great monastic building programs like the Cistercian houses of Yorkshire.  This caused attitudes toward Jews to be contradictory.  They were useful and popular with their clients, but were despised and resented for their wealth and financial power.  Jews who entered were not all lenders of money.  This was a few, but the law allowed others to enter as well.  Aaron of Lincoln was one such wealthy Jew who was able to contract loans for cathedrals.  When he died, Henry II appropriated hi wealth including debts to the tune of 3/4 of the annual royal income in a normal year.  Aaron's bullion was shipped to France to finance the English wars against Philip Augustus but sank in February 1187 from Shoreham, England to Dieppe, France.
                                                                         
  The crusading King Edward I introduced the Statute of Jewry in 1275 which made the practice of charging interest "usury" illegal which put the Jews out of business.  The Italians were there also loaning money with interest who were not stopped by this ruling because they had papal protection to take over the banking role.  In the very same year as this statute, Edward ordered  the Jews of Marlborough to move to Devizes, and Jews in Gloucester to Bristol, and Jews in Worcester to Hereford and Jews in Cambridge to move to Norwich.

 In Lincoln, there was a Jewish lady Belaset who lived in the stone JEWS HOUSE, and she was accused of coin clipping and was hung! In fact, it turned out that all the Jews were arrested then for coin clipping.  680 Jews were held in the Tower of London and they executed 300 of them.  Jews were forced to wear the Yellow Badge for  immediate identification.   It was that same year of 1290 that Edward expelled the remaining, now virtually destitute Jews from his kingdom.  Their use came to an end.  They were forced out for the next 365 years.  Frankly, I can't understand why they'd want to live there after all of this.

Christianity entered England by the 1st century but were pushed back with events like the Saxon invasion in the 300s who brought their Germanic polytheism.  The Romans had left the country by 360.  It was Augustine who brought Christianity in 597.
                                                                           
The country was ruled by the royal elite and all others were serfs, kept in this level by laws that even covered what clothing they had to wear to show their level in society.  It was much like India's system.  You were born into a social group and there was no way to leave.
                                                                             
Serfs had to wear identifiable clothing of their station in life
 Feudal landlords of Britain looked down on their peasants with contempt.  The "villani" were lowly people and lacking in substance according to them, who wrote in Latin, not English.  This finally started a rebellion-by small landlords having from 5 to 20 acres who had sheep, cattle and pigs, and also craftworkers and townsmen.  This was in 1381 and was called the Peasants Revolt incorrectly.  They were revolting mainly about taxes, but the clothing laws didn't allow the poor to wear fur; only the royalty.  They had to wear a poor rough cloth to show their station in life.
                                                                         
 It wasn't until 1500 where money accrued meant more than one's feudal status.   Making money meant buying comfort and possessions to show one's station.  In 1481, the will of John Symond of Wickham Market, Suffolk, a barber and wax-dealer, left a feather bed and bedclothes, 6 pewter plates, 12 silver spoons, a wooden chest, 4 metal candlesticks, a brass pot, 5 irons, rosary beads and a saddle and bridle for his horse.  He had had a degree of material comfort unknown to his ancestors.
                                                                   
It was 1620 when the Mayflower sailed for the New World and came to the shores of Plymouth Rock in what would become Massachusetts in 1788, after the Revolutionary War of America's history.  The country with vision wasn't perfect.  The people settling in South before the Pilgrims reached the shores of Massachusetts came to make money.  They wound up raising tobacco and cotton in a very hot climate and quickly decided that they needed some slaves.  They were easily available by dealing with slave ships who brought them to our shores.  In 1833 England had passed a law against owning slaves.  Actually, " only slaves below the age of six were freed in the colonies. Former slaves over the age of six were redesignated as "apprentices", and their servitude was abolished in two stages: the first set of apprenticeships came to an end on 1 August 1838, while the final apprenticeships were scheduled to cease on 1 August 1840. The Act specifically excluded "the Territories in the Possession of the East India Company, or to the Island of Ceylon, or to the Island of Saint Helena." 

 In this way, England ended their ownership of slaves almost 30 years sooner than the 
USA did and without having a war over it.  Half of their country was not in the position of be-
ing dependent on slavery, however.  Those that owned plantations raising sugar were, so
they did face some of the same problems.  
                                                                  

Slaves were brought to Jamestown, Virginia to help grow tobacco in 1619, the year before the Mayflower left port.  They would not gain freedom until after  the CIVIL WAR in the USA from April 12, 1861 to May 9, 1865; a war of 4 years 27 days.  This was led by President Abraham Lincoln who came to the realization that owning slaves was against a bigger law than man's and was bent on changing his country.  "Approximately 620,000 soldiers died from combat, accident, starvation, and disease during the Civil War. This number comes from an 1889 study of the war performed by William F. Fox and Thomas Leonard Livermore. Both men fought for the Union."  Today there are people who want to destroy statutes of Lincoln because it was said that he owned a slave at one time.  His revelation brought about the lives of all the soldiers who died in the effort to fight over this decision.  The South had seen their loss of slaves as the end of their livilihood and civilization.  The North had seen the evil of owning people and not paying them for their value.  

Do our children of today understand how bad life was in England to force people to risk their lives in coming to this wild continent?  In 241 short years, we have the life we do today, a far better life than those back in England, even in 1775.  Yet we have to also understand that England had come far in 775 years compared to what life was back then and had remained that way till 1775.  

Resource:Book:  THE TRIBES OF BRITAIN, by David Miles
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity_in_Britain
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/william-the-conqueror-invades-england
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/this-day-in-jewish-history/.premium-1.558352
http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/slavery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833
read more: https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/this-day-in-jewish-history/.premium-1.545064
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Netherlands

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Wednesday, April 05, 2017

 

Abiathar Smith Robinson Now Has a New York Born Father Like He Said He Did

Nadene Goldfoot                            
Well, I did it again.  Through DNA testing and finding one specific match, I've changed parents on Abiathar Smith Robinson b: 1829.  My cousins are going to kill me.  But this one looks good.
                                                                       
We find that Abiathar said on one census that he was from New York.  I thought he was a die-hard and just refused to admit that Vermont had taken some of New York's land and now places were called Vermont.  His new father is Israel Robinson born in New York!  So were his siblings.  Abiathar had told my grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinson b: Wenona, Marshall, Illinois in 1871, that his family had come over not on the Mayflower of 1620 but a ship after that.  Well, John Robinson, Rev, didn't come over even though he got the Pilgrims to board the ship and leave Holland, but his son, Isaac, did and probably populated most of New England.  Robinson has been the 16th most popular surname in the USA, found in the north AND the south.
                                                                   
Descendants of ISRAEL ROBINSON   The problem here is that Roxbury is a good 200 miles, and Broome County 260 some miles from Royalton, Windsor, Vermont where Abiathar met Julia Ann Tuller at the Tuller house in 1850 or not but married her in Tunbridge, next door to Royalton in 1852.  

1   ISRAEL ROBINSON b: April 20, 1800 in Roxbury, Delaware , NY d: November 11, 1867 in Kattelville, Broome, New York
.. +Catherine Tracy b: 1800 in NY d: August 05, 1882 in Broome, New York
. 2   EBENEZER GANONG Robinson b: May 1823 in Dutchess County, New York d: Aft. 1900 in Clark County, Washington
..... +Julia Ann Morse b: June 05, 1828 in Roxbury, Delaware, NY d: 1916 in Clark County, Washington
. 2   Nathaniel Robinson b: 1825 d: 1906
..... +Lavania Keeler b: 1829 d: 1918
. 2   JOHN K. ROBINSON b: Abt. 1826 in poss. Dutchess, New York d: in Dutchess County, Washington
..... +Lucinda Haskins b: Abt. 1830 d: in prob. Washington
. 2   Abiathar SMITH Robinson b: 1829 New York or Vermont d: 1904 Wenona, Marshall, Illinois
.........+Julia Ann Tuller b: 1834 d: Wenona, Marshall, Illinois
. 2   Susan C. Robinson b: 1838 in New York

They connect to Reverend Daniel Robinson b: 1771 in Carmel, Putnam, New York.
                                                                                 
Then he connects to Major Ebenezer Robinson born 1735 Rehoboth, Bristol, Massachusetts Bay, English Colony who was in the Revolutionary War.

The next connection is to Peter Robinson born 1785 Rehoboth, Bristol, Massachusetts Bay, English Colony.

John Weeks Robinson, Jr. is the next connection b: 1667 Falmouth, Barnstable Co, Massachusetts

John Robinson and Elizabeth Weeks are the next connection of 1640 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts

Issac Robinson was in the Netherlands
Descendants of Isaac Robinson


1   [1] Isaac Robinson b: Bet. 1610 - 1620 in Reusel-de Mierden, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands, Leiden, Holland d: 1704 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts
.. +Margaret Hanford b: 1619 in Fremington, Devon, England d: Bef. June 13, 1649 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts
*2nd Wife of [1] Isaac Robinson:
.. +Mary Faunce b: July 25, 1628 in Plymouth, Massachusetts d: Aft. November 08, 1699 in Plymouth, Massachusetts
                                                                         
His father, and last I'll mention now, is THE John Robinson, Reverend who sent the Pilgrims on the Mayflower in 1620.  
Descendants of JOHN (Rev.) Robinson
1   JOHN (Rev.) Robinson b: Bet. 1575 - 1576 in Sturton Nottinghamshire, or Lincolnshire, England d: February 19, 1624/25 in Leyden, Holland
.. +Bridget White b: 1579 in Sturton Nottinghamshire, England d: 1643 in Massachusetts


I just hope this works out since our Robinson Y DNA is R-L21 or R1b1a2a1a1b4.  
Please let me know if descendants of this Reverend have the same haplotype or if DYS 393 being a 12 and others a 13 is not unusual.

I have several ladies that we share genes with that are Robinson DNA connections.  One is Sheri and the other is Cheryl.   Cheryl is a 3rd cousin to my brother and myself, 4th to my  1st maternal male cousin, a Robinson.
Sheri is a 3rd cousin to all three of us.  I have 4 segments on the X chromosome and my brother has one with Sherie.  That means our mother matches with Sherie's mother since a male has the Y.

One of the men I thought could be his father was a John Robinson who was 51 in 1850, staying with the Tullers in Royalton, Vermont.  When I did a workup of his possible parents, I wound up with John Robinson, also, and thought it was impossible.  All roads do not lead to John Robinson, Rev.  There were other Robinson families who immigrated to America.  I think this is the 12th possible set of parents, now.  Hope among them the real one exists.  

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Monday, October 17, 2016

 

No Robinsons on the Mayflower, but Reverend John Robinson Sent Many Pilgrims

Nadene Goldfoot                                            
My grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinson, was told that his ancestors came over NOT on the Mayflower, but the ship after that.  Was he talking about a Robinson ancestor?  It could be that he heard about Reverend John Robinson who lived in Holland and was the instigator that sent the Pilgrims living there on the Mayflower to the New World.  He never got there, but his son, Isaac, did.

One thing I have found is that my Robinson family had married into THE ROBINSON FAMILY OF JOHN ROBINSON, OF HOLLAND WHO SENT THE PILGRIMS ONTO THE MAYFLOWER.  So we are indirectly connected.
                                                                               
Birth: Isaac Robinson was born about 1610 in Leiden. Death: He died in Barnstable in 1704. Ship: Unknown, 1631.  The ship that came in 1621 was the Fortune and there were no Robinsons listed.  Isaac came over to Plymouth between 22 May 1627 to 27 March 1634.  The date was thought to be 1631  and married Margaret Hanford.  

The ships that came over in 1631 were: It was said to be the Lyon.  

Virginia
Lyon 1Pierce1631Bristol, England
Plough of WoolwichGraves1631London, EnglandMassachusetts
White Angel1631Bristol, EnglandSaco, Maine
Robert BonadventureMay 1631London, EnglandSt Christophers
De EendrachtJuly 7 1631Texel, HollandNew Amster. (NYC)
Lyon 2PierceNov 1631London, EnglandNantasket, MA

 Life in Holland: Isaac Robinson, one of nine children, was born in Leiden to Reverend John and Bridget (White) Robinson. His father was the pastor of the English reformed church there. The family lived in Groenepoort near the St. Peter’s Church. Rev. Robinson died in 1625, but his widow and children remained in  Leiden. Isaac was the only one to emigrate to New England.

Another source said he came in the Winthrop fleet, that I believe came 10 years later.  "Issac, Plymouth 1630, son of blessed John, the apostle of Leyden, come probably with his mother in the fleet with Winthrop.
Descendants of JOHN (Rev.) Robinson

1   JOHN (Rev.) Robinson b: Bet. 1575 - 1576 in Sturton Nottinghamshire, or Lincolnshire, England
.. +Bridget White b: 1579 in Sturton Nottinghamshire, England
. 2   John Robinson b: Bet. 1606 - 1609 in Norwich, Norfolk, England
. 2   Bridget Robinson b: 1608 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands
. 2   [1] Isaac Robinson b: Bet. 1610 - 1620 in Reusel-de Mierden, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands, Leiden, Holland
..... +Margaret Hanford b: 1619 in Fremington, Devon, England
. *2nd Wife of [1] Isaac Robinson:
..... +Mary Faunce b: July 25, 1628 in Plymouth, Massachusetts
. 2   Jacob Robinson b: February 07, 1620/21 in Greasley, Nottingham, England
. 2   Mercy Robinson b: Abt. 1614 in Leyden, Holland
. 2   [2] Fear Robinson b: 1614 in Leyden, Holland
..... +Samuel Baker b: Abt. 1614
. *2nd Husband of [2] Fear Robinson:
..... +John Jennings

Here's where DNA comes in.  Our Robinson line's Y haplogroup is R1b1a2a1a1b4, which is now called as an R-L21.  The DYS #393 is 12 instead of 13.  This denotes more matches with the Irish than English people.  Our oral history was that his line came from Wales.  He may have been very confused as he had run away from home as a teenager and had never returned over an argument with his father, Abiather over his horse that was gored by a bull in the field.  Abiathar wouldn't let him move it out as it was the Sabbath.  

I have not found that this group has had many dna tests, but the few that have not carried the very same haplotype, though they also are R1.  It's the allele of 393 that differs, theirs being a 13 and ours a 12.  We've tested with Family Tree DNA and also have the results with GedMatch.com.  I haven't come across but one match which has also had the 67 allele test that is a haplotype match, but not a personal match.  

Now I find that a DNA match of my Robinson cousin also has a tree, and his tree shows a John Robinson born  in 1580 in Meppershall, England who was married to Katherine Eaden.  They had a son, John Robinson, born on February 9, 1611 in Meppershall who married Elizabeth Trickely in Haverhill, Massachusetts.  They had a son, John Robinson born in 1640 in Haverhill, Massachusetts.  He married Dorothy Perkins.  They were different.  Their son was named Jacob Robinson.  

Isaac Robinson:   from genie.com.  

Isaac Robinson MP

Gender:Male
Birth:circa 1610 
Leiden, Leiden, South Holland, The Netherlands
Death:circa 1704 (86-102)
Barnstable, Barnstable County, Province of Massachusetts, (Present USA)
Immediate Family:
The descendants have a site on facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/DescendantsOfRevJohnRobinson/ I just wrote them a message on facebook about DNA testing.  

Descendants of Isaac Robinson
1   [2] Isaac Robinson b: Bet. 1610 - 1620 in Reusel-de Mierden, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands, Leiden, Holland
.. +Margaret Hanford b: 1619 in Fremington, Devon, England
. 2   Thomas Robinson b: Abt. 1635
. 2   Mary Mercy Robinson b: Abt. 1636
..... +William Weeks b: 1636
. 2   Susannah Robinson b: January 21, 1636/37
. 2   Israel Robinson b: Abt. 1638
. 2   Jacob Robinson b: Abt. 1639
. 2   William Robinson b: Abt. 1641
. 2   John Robinson b: April 05, 1640 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts
..... +Elizabeth Weeks b: 1648 in England/ Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts
. 2   Isaac Robinson b: August 07, 1642 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts
..... +Ann b: Abt. 1640 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts
. 2   Fear Robinson b: January 26, 1644/45
..... +Samuel Baker b: October 02, 1638 in Scituate, Plymouth, Massachusetts
. 2   [1] Mercy Robinson b: July 04, 1647 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts
..... +Unnamed b: Abt. 1646
. *2nd Husband of [1] Mercy Robinson:
..... +William Weeks b: 1647 in Devonshire, England
. 2   Margaret Robinson b: June 06, 1649 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts
*2nd Wife of [2] Isaac Robinson:
.. +Mary Faunce b: July 25, 1628 in Plymouth, Massachusetts
. 2   Israel Isaac Robinson b: October 05, 1651 in Barnstable, Massachusetts
..... +Anne Cottle
. 2   [3] Jacob Robinson b: May 15, 1653 in Barnstable, Massachusetts
..... +Mary
. *2nd Wife of [3] Jacob Robinson:
..... +Experience Rogers b: June 22, 1673 in Nantucket, Massachusetts
. 2   [4] Peter Robinson, Sr. b: June 1655 in Barnstable, Massachusetts
..... +Mary Mantor b: 1668 in Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts
. *2nd Wife of [4] Peter Robinson, Sr.:
..... +Experience Manter Lumbert b: 1673 in Tisbury, Dukes, Massachusetts
. 2   Thomas Robinson b: March 06, 1655/56 in Barnstable, Massachusetts


There were plenty of ships.

YearDepartArriveMaster
Mayflower1620SouthamptonPlymouthChristopher Jones
Fortune1621LondonPlymouthThomas Barton
Sparrow1622Massachusetts BayMr. Rogers
Swan1622Massachusetts Bay
Anne1623PlymouthWilliam Pierce
Jonathan1623PlymouthBoston Harbor
Katherine1623London (prob)WeymouthJoseph Stratton
Little James1623LondonPlymouthJohn Bridges
Prophet Daniel1623Mr. Poole
Yorke Bonaventure1623London (prob)Casco Bay, MaineChristopher Levitt
Charity1624LondonPlymouthTobias White
Unity1624BraintreeMr. Wollaston
Zouch Phenix1624Weymouth (prob)Cape Anne
Jacob1625BristolPlymouthWilliam Pierce
Abigail1628WeymouthSalemHenry Gaudens
Marmaduke1628PlymouthJohn Gibbs
Pleasure1628BarnstapleVirginiaWilliam Peters
White Angel1628BarnstaplePlymouthChristopher Burkett
Four Sisters1629GravesendRoger Harman
George Bonaventure1629GravesendSalemThomas Cox
Lyon1629BristolPlymouthWilliam Pierce
Lyon's Whelp1629GravesendSalemJohn Gibbs
Mayflower1629GravesendPlymouthWilliam Pierce
Six ships sailed1629GravesendSalem,Boston

Talbot
1629Isle of WightSalemThomas Beecher


Resource:  http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/k/u/k/Paul--V-Kukuk-WA/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0088.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passengers_of_1621_Fortune_voyage
http://www.packrat-pro.com/ships/shiplist.htm




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