Wednesday, September 11, 2019
Abiathar Smith Robinson's Y haplogroup of R-L21 and Kings of England's House of Stuart
My great grandfather, Abiathar Smith Robinson, was born in December 1829 in Vermont, USA, and he died in 1904 in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois.
His Y haplogroup is R-L21. The first knowledge of it was called R1b1a2a1a1b4. His line has several kings, with Scottish and Irish origins of the Stuart line of Royalty.
Kings & Queens of England or Great Britain
James I (1566-1625) => R1b-L21 (Y-DNA)
James was born in 1566, the son of Mary, Queen of Scots and Lord Darnley.
He was King of Scotland (as James VI) for 36 years before becoming King of England in 1603 — and the first in the British royal line of Stuarts.
James considered his rule to be by the “Divine Right of Kings” (under which he was considered appointed by God and not answerable to men), but all members of Parliament did not accept this belief. By governing for much of the time without Parliament — relying instead on a select group of “favourites” for advice — he diluted the legacy of strong representative government established by Elizabeth I.
James VI and I was King of Scotland as James VI from 24 July 1567 and King of England and Ireland as James I from the union of the Scottish and English crowns on 24 March 1603 until his death in 1625.
Charles I (1600-1649) => T2 (mtDNA) ; R1b-L21 (Y-DNA)
Charles I (19 November 1600 – 30 January 1649)[a] was the monarch over the three kingdoms of England, Scotland, and Ireland from 27 March 1625 until his execution.
Charles II (29 May 1630 – 6 February 1685)[c] was king of England, Scotland, and Ireland. He was king of Scotland from 1649 until his deposition in 1651, and king of England, Scotland and Ireland from the 1660 Restoration of the monarchy until his death.
*** **James II (1633-1701) => H (mtDNA) ; R1b-L21 (Y-DNA) *****
King of England, Scotland, and Ireland • married twice (1) Anne Hyde (2) Mary of Modena • born 14 October 1633 - died 16 September 1701 (aged 67) • children include: Mary II of England, Anne Queen of Great Britain, James Francis Edward Stuart "The Old Pretender", and Louisa Maria Teresa Stuart • James was deposed during the Glorious Revolution and replaced with William and Mary.
We are also related to Anne Hyde from Abiathar's wife's side of the family-Julia Ann Tuller. Anne Hyde thus became Queen.
My mother's mt haplotype was also H, but her origin was from Sweden.
The last 3 kings of England have not had a deeper test result for the public.
They are R1b, but that title is very broad. They are not from the House of Stuart.
Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh => H (mtDNA) ; R1b (Y-DNA)
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Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, is the husband of Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom and the other Commonwealth realms. Philip was born into the Greek and Danish royal families. He was born in Greece, but his family was exiled from the country when he was an infant. After being educated in France, Germany and the United Kingdom, he joined the British Royal Navy in 1939, aged 18. From July 1939, he began corresponding with the 13-year-old Princess Elizabeth, whom he had first met in 1934. During the Second World War he served with distinction in the Mediterranean and Pacific Fleets.
Charles, Prince of Wales => R1b (Y-DNA
Charles, Prince of Wales (Charles Philip Arthur George; born 14 November 1948) is the heir apparent to the British throne as the eldest son of Queen Elizabeth II. He has been Duke of Cornwall and Duke of Rothesay since 1952, and is the oldest and longest-serving heir apparent in British history.
Prince William, Duke of Cambridge => R30b (mtDNA) ; R1b (Y-DNA)
(William Arthur Philip Louis; born 21 June 1982)
Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, KG KT PC ADC is a member of the British royal family. He is the elder son of Charles, Prince of Wales, and Diana, Princess of Wales.
Since birth, he has been second in the line of succession to the British throne.
https://wwwrobinsongenealogy.blogspot.com/2015/11/connecting-to-king-james-ii-and-his.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_England
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh
https://famouskin.com/ahnentafel.php?name=7516+queen+elizabeth+ii
Labels: Anne Hyde, House of Stuart, Kings, R-L21 Y haplotype
Tuesday, May 14, 2019
Accidental DNA Resource Connects Robinson Line to Chosen Scottish Robinson Line
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| King James II, VII |
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| Chief Massasoit |
The surname that excited me was on her list of names which was Alexander. I had a Chauncey Alexander on my tree born in 1818 in ? and died in 1843 in Northfield, Washington, Vermont. I had no workup on him, but I did on his wife, who was part of my tree. She was Mary Averall born in Northfield, Vermont in 1824. She died in 1909 there. They had married August 10, 1842. Mary's parents were Oliver Averall and Harriet Polly Hopkins. Oliver's father was Thomas Averall and his mother was Elizabeth Robinson b: 1751 in Providence, Rhode Island and had died in 1840 in Northfield, Vermont. (I am her 1st or 2nd cousin 5 times removed.) Later, you will see that Mary Averall's husband, Chauncey Alexander, also brings me to a huge surprise as to who his origins were. They were 2 unimportant people sitting on my tree just because I like to keep following people and their ancestors that Family Search and ancestry.com make possible to do so. They were very distant relatives. By the way, the book, Plymouth Colony, is loaded with Hopkins people of this surname. It's because Stephen Hopkins was one of the passengers on the ship, The Mayflower in 1620. Stephen Hopkins had housed the Indians and had good relations with them. (at least the nearby Wampnoags under the supreme chief Massasoit were good. Somoset who was not a Wampanoag, but came from Maine, ad learned some English fom fishing ships, and he walked in on the settlers shortly after their arrival at Plymouth and offered to help them. Through Samoset, they learned also of Squanto, who was "a native of this place," but who had been taken by a ship to England. Samoset stayed his first night at Stephen Hopkins's house, having familiarity from when he was in Virginia years earlier. through Samoset, the colonists made initial contact with Massasoit and shortly after signed a peace treaty with hi, continuing until after Massasoit's death in 1662. "
Elizabeth Robinson was the daughter of NATHANIEL Robinson,Jr., Deacon, Judge b: 1724 in Attleboro, Massachusetts. He died in 1815 in Westminster, Vermont. Her mother was was Keziah Robbins who died in 1795 in Westminster, Vermont. Nathaniel Robinson was a direct descendant of George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland according to my research done previously..
I had already determined some time ago that this same George Robinson of Glasgow was our ancestor. There are so many Robinsons in New England, and as I kept working on our Robinsons, many people had married into a Robinson line, so I've been guessing as to our known Abiathar Smith Robinson, father of our grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinsons's father. Abiarthar's history ended in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois where he is buried, and was known about on his marriage license, and his wife was known to be Julia Ann Tuller of Royalton, Vermont on the 1850 census at age 15, but Abiathar was on no piece of information. It's been very frustrating. To complicate matters, Julia's father had a John Robinson age 51, working for him b: that could have been Abiathar's father or relative listed on that 1850 census living with them as another farmer. He was alone; no wife or child with him on the census. That shows that he was born in 1799-1800. The census said he was born in Vermont. "In 1850, a John Robinson, farmer, was living with the Tullers. Could he be the father of Abiathar who would have been 21? Julia was 15 on the census. I'm beginning to think so. John would have been 30 years old at Abiathar's birth. " (from my notes).
So, as it is today, I have found a John Robinson b: 1784 in Westminster, Vermont to be Abiathar's missing father. I sure hope I'm right. His wife is Sophromia Pember. They both died in Stowe, Vermont. They had a son named John K.Robinson b: 1819 in Stowe, Lamoille, Vermont. This piece of information coincides with another earlier DNA match that was much closer to me as a 3rd cousin with FTDNA. She's connected to the Bartlett family. I think of the pears with this name. She and I have worked on this line together for many sessions. John K Robinson's wife was Celinda Lorinda Lee Lucinda S. Hoskins HARRIS. She was born in 1821 in Stowe, Lamoille, Vermont also. John K Robinson was also a direct descendant of George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland. They're on the same tree.
The confusing fact is that I have at least 10 to 12 lines of Robinson in my computer in MyFamily Tree Maker Program, an old software program from when I first started doing genealogy way way before DNA came into being for genealogy.
Another line from DNA has the person's mother as a Robinson, and the outcome is a William Robinson, not the same Robinson line. This DNA match is even closer to me the the one with John K. Robinson b: 1819. This goes to Diane Robinson, Richard, Arthur, David, Jacob, John S.1765, Leonard Robinson, Sgt b: 1736, Samuel, Captain, Samuel, William b: 1640 Bristol, England, William Robinson, b: 1614 Canterbury, Kent, England. These last DNA ladies that connect to me connect to each other as well via DNA.
My 2 ladies, both sharing the same name of Cheryl (my first cousin is Charlotte Robinson who we call Cherie) and my brother and myself and my Charlotte's brother, Ken all share the same segment on chromosome #1 of 12 to 15cMs. So somehow we share the same Robinson line as well. I have made a mistake somewhere. DNA doesn't lie.
5/14/19 So I've tried to rectify my error. The problem was the father of Jacob H. Robinson being the wrong John Robinson. I found another that seems to do even better with him leading to the Scottish George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland like the others. This is a John Robinson b: 1769 in Tolland, Connecticut and died in Shoreham, Vermont, about 84 miles away from Bakersfield Vermont. He even had a David Robinson as a son. (This is how we all make errors in our genealogy. It's hard to tell at times who is who. Oh, if everyone had a brand of their Y haplogroup, which they do if tested, but I would like one more visible. This John was already in my tree. So I traded the other John S Robinson b: 1765 for this John Robinson b: 1769. They both ended up in Vermont.
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| Massasoit smoking a ceremonial pipe with Governor John Carver in Plymouth 1621. |
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| Anne Hyde |
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| James II of England
James II and VII was King of England and Ireland as James II and King of Scotland as James VII, from 6 February 1685 until he was deposed in the Glorious Revolution of 1688..
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1 ANNE HYDE b: March 22, 1637/38 in Cranbourne Lodge, Windsor in Berkshire,Windsor, England d: April 10, 1671 in London, England
.. +King James, II, Duke of York and VII b: October 14, 1633 in St. James Palace, London, England, HOUSE OF STUART d: September 16, 1701 in St. Germain-en-Laye, France
"The House of Stuart, originally Stewart, was a European royal house of Scotland with Breton origin.[2] They had held the office of High Steward of Scotland since Walter FitzAlan in around 1150. The royal Stewart line was founded by Robert II whose descendants were kings and queens of Scotland from 1371 until the union with England in 1707. Mary, Queen of Scots was brought up in France where she adopted the French spelling of the name Stuart."
On 2 March 1651/52, Nicholas Hyde was fined 25 pounds, a severe penalty, for selling a gun to an Indian, with confusing evidence. He was also ordered to satisfy Chief Massasoit about a gun that he probably sold to him of which he was not satisfied with. The implication was that it was all right for Massasoit to have a gun. My past notation on Nicholas Hyde was (1/26/12 Sir Nicholas Hyde, who was to hold the office of Chief Justice of the King's Bench between 1627 and 1631).
There is one Alexander listed in the book, Plymouth Colony, published by Ancestry. He was a John Alexander, listed as a man found guilty on 6 August 1637 of lewd behavior, page 201. His punishment was to be severely whipped and burned on the shoulder with a hot iron and to be perpetually banished from the colony, and to be whipped again anytime he might be found in the colony. The book goes into the lewd behavior that he was being punished for.
Alexander is a surname originating in Scotland. It is originally an Anglicised form of the Scottish Gaelic MacAlasdair. It is a somewhat common Scottish name, and the region of Scotland where it traditionally is most commonly found is in the Highlands region of Scotland
My mother wanted so much to find royalty in her family. That's why she encouraged me to do genealogy. She had no idea that an Anne Hyde would become part of royalty or that by roundabout family marriages we would be able to have Chief Massasoit on our tree.
Further checking on Scottish Robinsons produced: " A descendant of one of the Kings of Scotland, by the name of James Robinson, resided in a beautiful town in Scotland called at the time, Blarefatte, but after the rebellion, it was called by another name. (JH typist note: Blarefatte still exists and was visited by both my mother and her brother, grandchildren of Marquis D. Robinson.)
In searching for famous Scottish Robinsons, I came across this Scotsman and was pleased to see it. Thought not a Robinson, he helped my Jewish relatives and I to have a chance populating Palestine once again in the creation of Israel with his Balfour Doctrine. Arthur James Balfour (First Earl of Balfour) (1848 - 1930)
Born in East Lothian. A member of the Conservative party. Held several political positions, and was elected as British Prime Minister in 1902. He remained in office until 1906.
Update 5/15/19 : In checking for Native American DNA, my male 1st cousin-son of my mother's brother, has -1% of native American DNA. It could be from Massasoit. I have none. Luckily, he has 2 areas to check in FTDNA; his own personal and his Y haplogroup information of which he is R-L21.
Read more: Famous Scottish People https://www.scottish-at-heart.com/famous-scottish-people.html#ixzz5nv2xmB5e
Resource: 23 and me
My genealogy tree
Ancestry.com
Family Search (LDS)
Book, Plymouth Colony, Its History and People,
published by ancestry., by Eugene Aubrey Stratton
Massasoit; pp; 22,23,25,67,77,102,108
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Stuart
Labels: Alexander, Anne Hyde, Averall, dna, genealogy, George Robinson, Glasgow, House of Stuart, King James II, Massasoit, Robinson, Scotland
Tuesday, February 16, 2016
Robinson Connection To Kings and Queens, Even of Kiev, Ukraine
1. (This is how we connect. My mother's father was Frank Hugh Robinson b: 1870 in Wenona, Illinois
2. His father was Abiathar Smith Robinson b: 1829 in Vermont or NY and died in Wenona, Illinois.
3. Abiathar's father was possibly Amos Robinson IV b: 1797 Royalton, Vermont, died in Decatur, Illinois or Wisconsin.
4. Amos' father was Amos Robinson III b: 1767, Lebanon, Connecticut-died Decatur, Illinois, or
6. His wife was DEBORAH HYDE. b: 1734-in Lebanon, New London, Connecticut; d: 1780 Hartford, Windsor County, Vermont. She's buried in the Russ Town Cemetery, White River Junction, Hartford, Windsor, Vermont/St Anthony Catholic Ce, White River Junction, Windsor county, VT)
1 Henry I of France b: May 04, 1008 in France
.. +Anna Anne Yaroslavna of Kiev, Ruthenian queen co b: Bet. 1024 - 1032 (Kiev, Ukraine)
. 2 PhilipI, King of FranksI b: May 23, 1052 in France
..... +Bertha of Holland
..... 3 Louis VI b: December 01, 1081 in Paris, France
Here's how that line goes:
Descendants of a Varangian-Rus Rurik, Finno-Ugric and Slavic o
1 a Varangian-Rus Rurik, Finno-Ugric and Slavic o b: in Kiev
. 2 Igor Riurikovich b: 914 in Kiev
..... +Olga b: in Kiev
..... 3 Sviatoslav the Brave, Grand Prince of Kiev b: 932 in Kiev
......... +Malusha
......... 4 Vladimir the Great, Grand Prince of Kiev b: 958 in either Budyatychi (modern Volyn Oblast, Ukraine)[1] or Budnik (modern Pskov Oblast, Russia
............. +Rogneda of Polotsk
............. 5 Yaroslav the Wise Vladimir, Grand Prince of Kiev b: 978
................. +Ingegerd Olofsdotter of Sweden b: in Sweden
................. 6 Anna Anne Yaroslavna of Kiev, Ruthenian queen co b: Bet. 1024 - 1032
..................... +Henry I of France b: May 04, 1008 in France
..................... 7 PhilipI, King of FranksI b: May 23, 1052 in France
......................... +Bertha of Holland
Labels: Abiathar Smith Robinson, Anna Anne Yaroslavna, Anne Hyde, Deborah Hyde, Kiev, Kings, Queens, Robinson, Ukraine royalty














