Wednesday, September 11, 2019

 

Abiathar Smith Robinson's Y haplogroup of R-L21 and Kings of England's House of Stuart

Nadene Goldfoot
                                                                       
My great grandfather, Abiathar Smith Robinson, was born in December 1829 in Vermont, USA, and he died in 1904 in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois.
His Y haplogroup is R-L21.  The first knowledge of it was called R1b1a2a1a1b4.  His line has several kings, with Scottish and Irish origins of the Stuart line of Royalty. 

                 Kings & Queens of England or Great Britain

                                       James I (1566-1625) => R1b-L21 (Y-DNA)

  James was born in 1566, the son of Mary, Queen of Scots and Lord Darnley.

He was King of Scotland (as James VI) for 36 years before becoming King of England in 1603 — and the first in the British royal line of Stuarts.
James considered his rule to be by the “Divine Right of Kings” (under which he was considered appointed by God and not answerable to men), but all members of Parliament did not accept this belief. By governing for much of the time without Parliament — relying instead on a select group of “favourites” for advice — he diluted the legacy of strong representative government established by Elizabeth I.

James VI and I was King of Scotland as James VI from 24 July 1567 and King of England and Ireland as James I from the union of the Scottish and English crowns on 24 March 1603 until his death in 1625.

                                                                                      

Charles I (1600-1649) => T2 (mtDNA) ; R1b-L21 (Y-DNA)
    Charles I (19 November 1600 – 30 January 1649)[a] was the monarch over the three kingdoms of England, Scotland, and Ireland from 27 March 1625 until his execution.
Charles was born into the House of Stuart as the second son of King James VI of Scotland, but after his father inherited the English throne in 1603, he moved to England, where he spent much of the rest of his life. He became heir apparent to the thrones of England, Scotland and Ireland on the death of his elder brother, Henry Frederick, Prince of Wales, in 1612. An unsuccessful and unpopular attempt to marry him to the Spanish Habsburg princess Maria Anna culminated in an eight-month visit to Spain in 1623 that demonstrated the futility of the marriage negotiations. Two years later, he married the Bourbon princess Henrietta Maria of France instead.
                 Charles II (1630-1685) => H (mtDNA) ; R1b-L21 (Y-DNA)
               Charles II (29 May 1630 – 6 February 1685)[c] was king of England, Scotland, and Ireland. He was king of Scotland from 1649 until his deposition in 1651, and king of England, Scotland and Ireland from the 1660 Restoration of the monarchy until his death.
Charles II was the eldest surviving child of Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland and Henrietta Maria of France. After Charles I's execution at Whitehall on 30 January 1649, at the climax of the English Civil War, the Parliament of Scotland proclaimed Charles II king on 5 February 1649. However, England entered the period known as the English Interregnum or the English Commonwealth, and the country was a de facto republic led by Oliver Cromwell. Cromwell defeated Charles II at the Battle of Worcester on 3 September 1651, and Charles fled to mainland Europe. Cromwell became virtual dictator of England, Scotland and Ireland. Charles spent the next nine years in exile in France, the Dutch Republic and the Spanish Netherlands.
                                                                              

*** **James II (1633-1701) => H (mtDNA) ; R1b-L21 (Y-DNA) *****

     King of England, Scotland, and Ireland • married twice (1) Anne Hyde (2) Mary of Modena • born 14 October 1633 - died 16 September 1701 (aged 67) • children include: Mary II of England, Anne Queen of Great Britain, James Francis Edward Stuart "The Old Pretender", and Louisa Maria Teresa Stuart • James was deposed during the Glorious Revolution and replaced with William and Mary.
    We are also related to Anne Hyde from Abiathar's wife's side of the family-Julia Ann Tuller.  Anne Hyde thus became Queen.  
Her daughter, Anne,  was born at 11:39 p.m. on 6 February 1665 at St James's Palace, London, the fourth child and second daughter of the Duke of York (afterwards James II and VII), and his first wife, Anne Hyde.  Anne (6 February 1665 – 1 August 1714) was Queen of EnglandScotland, and Ireland between 8 March 1702 and 1 May 1707. On 1 May 1707, under the Acts of Union, the kingdoms of England and Scotland united as a single sovereign state known as Great Britain. She continued to reign as Queen of Great Britain and Ireland until her death in 1714.
    My mother's mt haplotype was also H, but her origin was from Sweden. 

 The last 3 kings of England have not had a deeper test result for the public. 
They are R1b, but that title is very broad.  They are not from the House of Stuart.     

Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh => H (mtDNA) ; R1b (Y-DNA)
                               )
Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, is the husband of Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom and the other Commonwealth realms. Philip was born into the Greek and Danish royal families.   He was born in Greece, but his family was exiled from the country when he was an infant. After being educated in France, Germany and the United Kingdom, he joined the British Royal Navy in 1939, aged 18. From July 1939, he began corresponding with the 13-year-old Princess Elizabeth, whom he had first met in 1934. During the Second World War he served with distinction in the Mediterranean and Pacific Fleets.
 

 Charles, Prince of Wales => R1b (Y-DNA
                                                                        

CharlesPrince of Wales (Charles Philip Arthur George; born 14 November 1948) is the heir apparent to the British throne as the eldest son of Queen Elizabeth II. He has been Duke of Cornwall and Duke of Rothesay since 1952, and is the oldest and longest-serving heir apparent in British history.   


                                                     

Prince William, Duke of Cambridge => R30b (mtDNA) ; R1b (Y-DNA)
                      (William Arthur Philip Louis;  born 21 June 1982) 
   
 Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, KG KT PC ADC is a member of the British royal family. He is the elder son of Charles, Prince of Wales, and Diana, Princess of Wales.
  Since birth, he has been second in the line of succession to the British throne.
William was educated at four schools in the United Kingdom and studied for a degree at the University of St Andrews. During a gap year, he spent time in Chile, Belize, and Africa. In December 2006, he completed 44 weeks of training as an officer cadet and was commissioned in the Blues and Royals regiment. In April 2008, William completed pilot training at Royal Air Force College Cranwell, then underwent helicopter flight training and became a full-time pilot with the RAF Search and Rescue Force in early 2009. His service with the British Armed Forces ended in September 2013.[3][4] He then trained for a civil pilot's licence and spent over two years working as a pilot for the East Anglian Air Ambulance.
In 2011, Prince William was made Duke of Cambridge and married Catherine Middleton. The couple have three children: Prince GeorgePrincess Charlotte, and Prince Louis
Resource: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/25236-Haplogroups-of-European-kings-and-queens
https://wwwrobinsongenealogy.blogspot.com/2015/11/connecting-to-king-james-ii-and-his.html
https://www.historyisfun.org/sites/jamestown-chronicles/james_more.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_England
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh
https://famouskin.com/ahnentafel.php?name=7516+queen+elizabeth+ii
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain

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Tuesday, May 14, 2019

 

Accidental DNA Resource Connects Robinson Line to Chosen Scottish Robinson Line

Nadene Goldfoot                       
                                                                     
King James II, VII
Chief Massasoit
I had a new match from  23 and Me today so looked at it.  The surname could have been a Jewish line or a gentile line, so I checked out the surname list given which are clues as to who a single segment could be.  The lady and I share one segment on chromosome #8.of 27cMs.   She was born closer to the year of my grandson's birth, and we are 4th cousins.

The surname that excited me was on her list of names which was Alexander.  I had a Chauncey Alexander on my tree born in 1818 in ? and died in 1843 in Northfield, Washington, Vermont.  I had no workup on him, but I did on his wife, who was part of my tree.  She was Mary Averall born in Northfield, Vermont in 1824.  She died in 1909 there.  They had married August 10, 1842.  Mary's parents were Oliver Averall and Harriet Polly Hopkins.  Oliver's father was Thomas Averall and his mother was Elizabeth Robinson b: 1751 in Providence, Rhode Island and had died in 1840 in Northfield, Vermont. (I am her 1st or 2nd cousin 5 times removed.)   Later, you will see that Mary Averall's husband, Chauncey Alexander,  also brings me to a huge surprise as to who his origins were.  They were 2 unimportant people sitting on my tree just because I like to keep following people and their ancestors that Family Search and ancestry.com make possible to do so.  They were very distant relatives.  By the way, the book, Plymouth Colony, is loaded with Hopkins people of this surname.  It's because Stephen Hopkins was one of the passengers on the ship, The Mayflower in 1620.  Stephen Hopkins had housed the Indians and had good relations with them.  (at least the nearby Wampnoags under the supreme chief Massasoit were good.  Somoset who was not a  Wampanoag, but came from Maine, ad learned some English fom fishing ships, and he walked in on the settlers shortly after their arrival at Plymouth and offered to help them.   Through Samoset, they learned also of Squanto, who was "a native of this place," but who had been taken by a ship to England.  Samoset stayed his first night at Stephen Hopkins's house, having familiarity from when he was in Virginia years earlier.  through Samoset, the colonists made initial contact with Massasoit and shortly after signed a peace treaty with hi, continuing until after Massasoit's death in 1662.  "

Elizabeth Robinson was the daughter of NATHANIEL Robinson,Jr., Deacon, Judge b: 1724 in Attleboro, Massachusetts.  He died in 1815 in Westminster, Vermont.  Her mother was was Keziah Robbins  who died in 1795 in Westminster, Vermont.  Nathaniel Robinson was a direct descendant of George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland according to my research done previously..

I had already determined some time ago that this same George Robinson of Glasgow was our ancestor.  There are so many Robinsons in New England, and as I kept working on our Robinsons, many people had married into a Robinson line, so I've been guessing as to our known Abiathar Smith Robinson, father of our grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinsons's father.  Abiarthar's history ended in  Wenona, Marshall, Illinois where he is buried, and was known about on his marriage license, and his wife was known to be Julia Ann Tuller of Royalton, Vermont on the 1850 census at age 15, but Abiathar was on no piece of information.  It's been very frustrating.  To complicate matters, Julia's father had a John Robinson age 51,  working for him b: that could have been Abiathar's father or relative listed on that 1850 census living with them as another farmer.  He was alone; no wife or child with him on the census. That shows that he was born in 1799-1800.  The census said he was born in Vermont.  "In 1850, a John Robinson, farmer, was living with the Tullers.  Could he be the father of Abiathar who would have been 21?  Julia was 15 on the census.    I'm beginning to think so.  John would have been 30 years old at Abiathar's birth.  " (from my notes).  

So, as it is today, I have found a John Robinson b: 1784 in  Westminster, Vermont to be Abiathar's missing father.  I sure hope I'm right.  His wife is Sophromia Pember.  They both died in Stowe, Vermont.  They had a son named John K.Robinson b: 1819 in Stowe, Lamoille, Vermont.  This piece of information coincides with another earlier DNA match that was much closer to me as a 3rd cousin with FTDNA.  She's connected to the Bartlett family.  I think of the pears with this name.  She and I have worked on this line together for many sessions.  John K Robinson's wife was Celinda Lorinda Lee Lucinda S. Hoskins HARRIS.  She was born in 1821 in Stowe, Lamoille, Vermont also.  John K Robinson was also a direct descendant of George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland.   They're on the same tree.

The confusing fact is that I have at least 10 to 12 lines of Robinson in my computer in MyFamily Tree Maker Program, an old software program from when I first started doing genealogy way way before DNA came into being for genealogy.

Another line from DNA has the person's mother as a Robinson, and the outcome is a William Robinson, not the same Robinson line.  This DNA match is even closer to me the the one with John K. Robinson b: 1819.  This goes to Diane Robinson, Richard, Arthur, David, Jacob, John S.1765, Leonard Robinson, Sgt  b: 1736,  Samuel, Captain, Samuel, William b: 1640 Bristol, England, William Robinson, b: 1614 Canterbury, Kent, England.  These last DNA ladies that connect to me connect to each other as well via DNA.

My 2 ladies, both sharing the same name of Cheryl (my first cousin is Charlotte Robinson who we call Cherie) and my brother and myself and my Charlotte's brother, Ken all share the same segment on chromosome #1 of 12 to 15cMs.  So somehow we share the same Robinson line as well.  I have made a mistake somewhere.  DNA doesn't lie.

5/14/19 So I've tried to rectify my error. The problem was the father of Jacob H. Robinson being the wrong John Robinson.  I found another that seems to do even better with him leading to the Scottish George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland like the others.  This is a John Robinson b: 1769 in Tolland, Connecticut and died in Shoreham, Vermont, about 84 miles away from Bakersfield Vermont.  He even had a David Robinson as a son.  (This is how we all make errors in our genealogy.  It's hard to tell at times who is who.  Oh, if everyone had a brand of their Y haplogroup, which they do if tested, but I would like one more visible.  This John was already in my tree.  So I traded the other John S Robinson b: 1765 for this John Robinson b: 1769.  They both ended up in Vermont.
                                                                     
Massasoit smoking a ceremonial pipe with Governor John Carver in Plymouth 1621.
Chauncey Alexander was alone on my tree, one of 2 Alexanders.  The other was born about 100 years later.  I followed Chauncey's ancestors all the way back to a Peter Alexander b: 1650 in Massachusetts and found out that his father was Wamsutta Alexander Wampanoag Sachem born in 1634-5 at Pokanoket, Bristol, Rhode Island.  Yes, I was thinking of the Pilgrims landing in Massachusetts after sailing in 1620 from Holland.  I thought, this must be the last ancestor, checked, and found Wamsutta's father.  It was Massasoit Ousamequin born in 1575.  "Massasoit Sachem or Ousamequin (c. 1581 – 1661) was the sachem or leader of the Wampanoag tribe. The term Massasoit means Great Sachem.  Massasoit Ousamequin lived in Montaup, a Pokanoket village in Bristol, Rhode Island. He held the allegiance of a number of lesser Pokanoket sachems.
"Outbreaks of smallpox had devastated the Pokanokets, and Massasoit sought an alliance with the colonies of New England against the neighboring Narragansetts, who controlled an area west of Narragansett Bay in the Colony of Rhode Island. He forged critical political and personal ties with colonial leaders William BradfordEdward WinslowStephen HopkinsJohn Carver, and Myles Standish, ties which grew out of a negotiated peace treaty on March 22, 1621. The alliance ensured that the Wampanoags remained neutral during the Pequot War in 1636. According to Colonial sources, Massasoit prevented the failure of Plymouth Colony and the almost certain starvation that the Pilgrims faced during the earliest years of the colony's establishment."
 All this was found through family search from their posted tree information.  
                                                                         
Anne Hyde
I have Hyde as an important surname on my mother's tree.  It's a long story but I have a Deborah Hyde married to Amos Benton Robinson, both born in 1734. One of their sons was Amos Robinson III b: 1767 in Grafton, Connecticut and wife  Elizabeth Hughes.  One of his sons was Cyrus Robinson that I selected as my ggrandfather's father.  Cyrus B Robinson was born in 1808 in Strafford, Orange, Vermont.  His wife was Thankful Preston.  Cyrus is a direct descendant of George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland.  Whew!   Cyrus had been my 1st choice, but now I have chosen John Robinson who is also on this Glasgow, Scotland Robinson tree. 
                                                                   
James II of England 
James II and VII was King of England and Ireland as James II and King of Scotland as James VII, from 6 February 1685 until he was deposed in the Glorious Revolution of 1688..
 Deborah Hyde leads to a Hyde that married one of the kings of England. It was Anne Hyde.  Descendants of ANNE HYDE

ANNE HYDE b: March 22, 1637/38 in Cranbourne Lodge, Windsor in Berkshire,Windsor, England d: April 10, 1671 in London, England
.. +King James, II, Duke of York and VII b: October 14, 1633 in St. James Palace, London, England, HOUSE OF STUART d: September 16, 1701 in St. Germain-en-Laye, France

"The House of Stuart, originally Stewart, was a European royal house of Scotland with Breton origin.[2] They had held the office of High Steward of Scotland since Walter FitzAlan in around 1150. The royal Stewart line was founded by Robert II whose descendants were kings and queens of Scotland from 1371 until the union with England in 1707. Mary, Queen of Scots was brought up in France where she adopted the French spelling of the name Stuart."

 That connection also leads to George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland, thank goodness, though I had selected the wrong father-still could be the right one as far as I know for sure which was an Amos Robinson III b: 1767 and wife Elizabeth which led to Abiathar's father being a Cyrus B. Robinson b: 1808 with wife Thankful Preston.  Abiathar was born in 1829.  Anyway, back to the importance of Hyde.

On 2 March 1651/52, Nicholas Hyde was fined 25 pounds, a severe penalty, for selling a gun to an Indian, with confusing evidence.  He was also ordered to satisfy Chief Massasoit about a gun that he probably sold to him of which he was not satisfied with.  The implication was that it was all right for Massasoit to have a gun.  My past notation on Nicholas Hyde was (1/26/12 Sir Nicholas Hyde, who was to hold the office of Chief Justice of the King's Bench between 1627 and 1631).

There is one Alexander listed in the book, Plymouth Colony, published by Ancestry.  He was a John Alexander, listed as a man found guilty on 6 August 1637 of lewd behavior, page 201.  His punishment was to be severely whipped and burned on the shoulder with a hot iron and to be perpetually banished from the colony, and to be whipped again anytime he might be found in the colony.  The book goes into the lewd behavior that he was being punished for.

Alexander is a surname originating in Scotland. It is originally an Anglicised form of the Scottish Gaelic MacAlasdair. It is a somewhat common Scottish name, and the region of Scotland where it traditionally is most commonly found is in the Highlands region of Scotland

My mother wanted so much to find royalty in her family.  That's why she encouraged me to do genealogy.  She had no idea that an Anne Hyde would become part of royalty or that by roundabout family marriages we would be able to have Chief Massasoit on our tree.  
                                                                   
Further checking on Scottish Robinsons produced: " A descendant of one of the Kings of Scotland, by the name of James Robinson, resided in a beautiful town in Scotland called at the time, Blarefatte, but after the rebellion, it was called by another name.  (JH typist note: Blarefatte still exists and was visited by both my mother and her brother, grandchildren of Marquis D. Robinson.) 
     The King of England allowed Sir James, as he was called, to enjoy his inheritance without being molested, though he had to give to kings of England, a small sum annually to acknowledge them as his legal sovereigns.
Robinson is the 15th most common surname in the United Kingdom. According to the 1990 United States Census, Robinson was the twentieth most frequently encountered surname among those reported, accounting for 0.23% of the population.
In Ireland, Robinson is only really common in Ulster. The two names had been used interchangeably in some areas of the province around the beginning of the 20th century. It can also be an Anglicization of such Jewish surnames as Rabinowitz and Rubinstein.

In searching for famous Scottish Robinsons, I came across this Scotsman and was pleased to see it.  Thought not a Robinson, he helped my Jewish relatives and I to have a chance populating Palestine once again in the creation of Israel with his Balfour Doctrine.    Arthur James Balfour (First Earl of Balfour) (1848 - 1930)
Born in East Lothian. A member of the Conservative party. Held several political positions, and was elected as British Prime Minister in 1902. He remained in office until 1906.
Update 5/15/19 : In checking for Native American DNA, my male 1st cousin-son of my mother's brother, has -1% of native American DNA.  It could be from Massasoit.  I have none.  Luckily, he has 2 areas to check in FTDNA; his own personal and his Y haplogroup information of which he is  R-L21.

Read more: Famous Scottish People https://www.scottish-at-heart.com/famous-scottish-people.html#ixzz5nv2xmB5e

Resource: 23 and me
My genealogy tree
Ancestry.com
Family Search (LDS)
Book, Plymouth Colony, Its History and People,
published by ancestry.,  by Eugene Aubrey Stratton
   Massasoit; pp; 22,23,25,67,77,102,108
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Stuart








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Wednesday, February 08, 2012

 

Our Robinson DNA Line-R-L21 : Royal House of Stuart Beginnings


from Stuart
Your Genetic Distance from descendants of the High Stewards of Scotland may help you to imagine what life was like for your patrilineal ancestors, e.g., that they lived in Brittany (Little Britain) until about a thousand years ago, and possibly in Britain (Great Britain) until the Anglo-Saxons dispossessed them about 1500 years ago.

Even if each chose a different surname, Walter, in a story below,  belongs to the same patrilineal family as all other descendants of his great-great-great-grandfather (gggGpa) Alan, Seneschal de Dol en Bretagne. No matter what your surname, anyone who tests positive for SNPs R-L21 L744, L745 or L746 does too. That some of your close Y-DNA37 and Y-DNA67 matches belong to this Stewart family indicates that you may test positive for one of these SNPs too. If you do, about two thousand years of probable family history cost you less than $30 through familytreedna.

The Scotsman 27 December 2011, by Alistair Moffat


"The story of one name in Scotland is very clear and very well documented – but DNA can take it much further. Walter fitzAlan came to Scotland around 1136. His ancestors hailed from Brittany and when William the Conqueror mustered his invading army in 1066, they joined it. Walter fitzAlan came north and his family became Stewards of Scotland in the 12th century. Their royal role eventually became their surname, and it in turn became royal. Around 16 per cent of all Scottish men with the surname Stewart carry S310, the same marker as direct and undoubted descendants of James V and James VI and I. It is a sub-type of the widespread Celtic marker labelled S145.

"Now comes a fascinating twist in a familiar story. In Brittany, the land of Walter the Steward’s ancestors, there exists a very high proportion of men with the S145 marker, as many as in south-west England, Celtic Cornwall and Devon and far more than in the rest of western Europe. There is a historical reason for this quirk. Brittany literally means Little Britain, a name acquired between 400AD and 600AD, the period when Saxons raiders became invaders and settlers. As the Roman Empire in Britain and Western Europe collapsed, they drove out large numbers of native British and they crossed the English Channel to escape and found communities in Brittany. Several place-names such as Bretteville recall the refugees. It may well be, on the evidence of DNA, that the Stewart dynasty of Scotland and of Great Britain and Ireland actually originated in the south or south-west of England and not on the western edges of Normandy..."

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Thursday, July 28, 2011

 

Matching the House of Stuart-Royalty

I just googled our haplogroup of R1b1a2a1a1b4 and up came the familytree group with the same haplogroup and it was the House of Stuart of Scotland!  This is a royal house.  Here our matches have shown that Ireland was our origin and now we match the Stuarts!  All the time my grandfather had told us we were from Wales! 
The Stuarts ruled from 1371 to 1714 when Queen Anne died.  
The most common ancestor of this group seems to be Allan, Seneschal de Dol en Bretagne; a Crusader in 1097. 
This haplogroup is also called L21/M529/S145 from deep clade testing. 

I just joined the group and am excited about find out more information. 

We are still unique in starting with DYS #393 being 12.  All others are 13.  We have the SNPs of P312+L21+

Our R1b haplogroup is the most common haplogroup in European populations.  It's thought to have gone throughout Euope as humans re-settled after the last glacial maximum which was 10 to 12 thousnad years ago.  This lineage also contains the Atlantic modal haplotype. 

Reference: Familytreedna : haplogroup:
R1b1a2a1a1b4 P312+ L21+ U152- U106- P66- P314.2- M37- M222- L96- L226- L193- L176.2- L159.2- L144-

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