Monday, October 17, 2016
No Robinsons on the Mayflower, but Reverend John Robinson Sent Many Pilgrims
My grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinson, was told that his ancestors came over NOT on the Mayflower, but the ship after that. Was he talking about a Robinson ancestor? It could be that he heard about Reverend John Robinson who lived in Holland and was the instigator that sent the Pilgrims living there on the Mayflower to the New World. He never got there, but his son, Isaac, did.
One thing I have found is that my Robinson family had married into THE ROBINSON FAMILY OF JOHN ROBINSON, OF HOLLAND WHO SENT THE PILGRIMS ONTO THE MAYFLOWER. So we are indirectly connected.
Birth: Isaac Robinson was born about 1610 in Leiden. Death: He died in Barnstable in 1704. Ship: Unknown, 1631. The ship that came in 1621 was the Fortune and there were no Robinsons listed. Isaac came over to Plymouth between 22 May 1627 to 27 March 1634. The date was thought to be 1631 and married Margaret Hanford.
The ships that came over in 1631 were: It was said to be the Lyon.
Virginia | |||||||
Lyon 1 | Pierce | 1631 | Bristol, England | ||||
Plough of Woolwich | Graves | 1631 | London, England | Massachusetts | |||
White Angel | 1631 | Bristol, England | Saco, Maine | ||||
Robert Bonadventure | May 1631 | London, England | St Christophers | ||||
De Eendracht | July 7 1631 | Texel, Holland | New Amster. (NYC) | ||||
Lyon 2 | Pierce | Nov 1631 | London, England | Nantasket, MA |
Life in Holland: Isaac Robinson, one of nine children, was born in Leiden to Reverend John and Bridget (White) Robinson. His father was the pastor of the English reformed church there. The family lived in Groenepoort near the St. Peter’s Church. Rev. Robinson died in 1625, but his widow and children remained in Leiden. Isaac was the only one to emigrate to New England.
Another source said he came in the Winthrop fleet, that I believe came 10 years later. "Issac, Plymouth 1630, son of blessed John, the apostle of Leyden, come probably with his mother in the fleet with Winthrop.
Descendants of JOHN (Rev.) Robinson
1 JOHN (Rev.) Robinson b: Bet. 1575 - 1576 in Sturton Nottinghamshire, or Lincolnshire, England
.. +Bridget White b: 1579 in Sturton Nottinghamshire, England
. 2 John Robinson b: Bet. 1606 - 1609 in Norwich, Norfolk, England
. 2 Bridget Robinson b: 1608 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands
. 2 [1] Isaac Robinson b: Bet. 1610 - 1620 in Reusel-de Mierden, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands, Leiden, Holland
..... +Margaret Hanford b: 1619 in Fremington, Devon, England
. *2nd Wife of [1] Isaac Robinson:
..... +Mary Faunce b: July 25, 1628 in Plymouth, Massachusetts
. 2 Jacob Robinson b: February 07, 1620/21 in Greasley, Nottingham, England
. 2 Mercy Robinson b: Abt. 1614 in Leyden, Holland
. 2 [2] Fear Robinson b: 1614 in Leyden, Holland
..... +Samuel Baker b: Abt. 1614
. *2nd Husband of [2] Fear Robinson:
..... +John Jennings
Here's where DNA comes in. Our Robinson line's Y haplogroup is R1b1a2a1a1b4, which is now called as an R-L21. The DYS #393 is 12 instead of 13. This denotes more matches with the Irish than English people. Our oral history was that his line came from Wales. He may have been very confused as he had run away from home as a teenager and had never returned over an argument with his father, Abiather over his horse that was gored by a bull in the field. Abiathar wouldn't let him move it out as it was the Sabbath.
I have not found that this group has had many dna tests, but the few that have not carried the very same haplotype, though they also are R1. It's the allele of 393 that differs, theirs being a 13 and ours a 12. We've tested with Family Tree DNA and also have the results with GedMatch.com. I haven't come across but one match which has also had the 67 allele test that is a haplotype match, but not a personal match.
Now I find that a DNA match of my Robinson cousin also has a tree, and his tree shows a John Robinson born in 1580 in Meppershall, England who was married to Katherine Eaden. They had a son, John Robinson, born on February 9, 1611 in Meppershall who married Elizabeth Trickely in Haverhill, Massachusetts. They had a son, John Robinson born in 1640 in Haverhill, Massachusetts. He married Dorothy Perkins. They were different. Their son was named Jacob Robinson.
Isaac Robinson: from genie.com.
Isaac Robinson MP
Gender: | Male |
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Birth: | circa 1610 Leiden, Leiden, South Holland, The Netherlands |
Death: | circa 1704 (86-102) Barnstable, Barnstable County, Province of Massachusetts, (Present USA) |
Immediate Family: |
Son of Rev. John Robinson and Bridget Robinson
Husband of Mary Harlow (Faunce) and Margaret Robinson (Hanford) Father of Peter Robinson; Israel Robinson; Jacob Robinson, Sr.; Lt. Peter Robinson; Thomas Robinson and 9 others Brother of Robinson; Dr. John Robinson; Bridget Lee; Mercy Robinson; Favor Jennings and 4 others |
Year | Depart | Arrive | Master | |
Mayflower | 1620 | Southampton | Plymouth | Christopher Jones |
Fortune | 1621 | London | Plymouth | Thomas Barton |
Sparrow | 1622 | Massachusetts Bay | Mr. Rogers | |
Swan | 1622 | Massachusetts Bay | ||
Anne | 1623 | Plymouth | William Pierce | |
Jonathan | 1623 | Plymouth | Boston Harbor | |
Katherine | 1623 | London (prob) | Weymouth | Joseph Stratton |
Little James | 1623 | London | Plymouth | John Bridges |
Prophet Daniel | 1623 | Mr. Poole | ||
Yorke Bonaventure | 1623 | London (prob) | Casco Bay, Maine | Christopher Levitt |
Charity | 1624 | London | Plymouth | Tobias White |
Unity | 1624 | Braintree | Mr. Wollaston | |
Zouch Phenix | 1624 | Weymouth (prob) | Cape Anne | |
Jacob | 1625 | Bristol | Plymouth | William Pierce |
Abigail | 1628 | Weymouth | Salem | Henry Gaudens |
Marmaduke | 1628 | Plymouth | John Gibbs | |
Pleasure | 1628 | Barnstaple | Virginia | William Peters |
White Angel | 1628 | Barnstaple | Plymouth | Christopher Burkett |
Four Sisters | 1629 | Gravesend | Roger Harman | |
George Bonaventure | 1629 | Gravesend | Salem | Thomas Cox |
Lyon | 1629 | Bristol | Plymouth | William Pierce |
Lyon's Whelp | 1629 | Gravesend | Salem | John Gibbs |
Mayflower | 1629 | Gravesend | Plymouth | William Pierce |
Six ships sailed | 1629 | Gravesend | Salem,Boston | |
Talbot | 1629 | Isle of Wight | Salem | Thomas Beecher |
Labels: Isaac Robinson, Pilgrims, Reverend John Robinson
Another Mayflower Passenger on Robinson Tree
Sandy Wall
Thanks to cousin Sandy Wall, descendant of my grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinson's sister, Nellie McCollum nee Robinson, who found this connection, we now know 2 different passengers on the Mayflower who are on our Robinson Tree. This 2nd one was Stephen Hopkins.
This is through Julia Ann Tuller who was married to our ggrandfather, Abiathar Smith Robinson again.
1 Julia Ann Tuller b: December 18, 1834 in Royalton, Windsor, Vermont d: December 02, 1887 in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois
.. +Abiathar Smith Robinson b: December 1829 in New York/ Vermont d: October 07, 1904 in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois
Her mother was Asinith Durkee.
1 Asenith Asinith Durkee b: 1814 in Royalton, Windsor County, Vermont d: 1868 in Royalton, Windsor County, Vermont/Rockwell, Illinois
.. +Alonzo Charles Tuller b: October 22, 1809 in St. Albans, Vermont (Franklin County)/Canada d: January 29, 1870 in Rockwell, LaSalle, Illinois
Asenith's father was Heman Durkee.
1 HEMAN DURKEE, Jr. b: October 21, 1789 in Royalton, Windsor County, Vermont d: January 09, 1865 in Royalton, Windsor County, Vermont, age 76
.. +Rebecca Hatch b: June 12, 1791 in Sharon, Windsor County, Vermont d: June 07, 1872 in Royalton, Windsor County, Vermont, age 81
Heman's father was also Heman Durkee, a Colonel.
1 [1] HEMAN Herman Durkee, Col. b: June 17, 1759 in Woodbury, Litchfield County, Connecticut d: October 05, 1797 in Royalton, Windsor County, Vermont, age 38
.. +Deborah Tuttle b: Abt. 1759
*2nd Wife of [1] HEMAN Herman Durkee, Col.:
.. +Susanna Rix b: June 30, 1764 in Preston, New London County, Connecticut d: September 09, 1852 in Royalton, Windsor County , Vermont, age 88
Colonel Heman Durkee's mother was Lucy Anna Smalley.
1 LUCY ANNA SMALLEY b: January 19, 1736/37 in Lebanon, New London County, Connecticut d: March 1797 in Royalton, Windsor County, Vermont
.. +TIMOTHY Lewis Durkee, Lieut. b: May 01, 1737 in Woodberry, Litchfield County, Connecticut d: March 29, 1797 in Royalton, Windsor, Vermont
Her father was Joseph Smalley.
1 JOSEPH SMALLEY b: January 02, 1711/12 d: 1783
.. +Jemima Ordway b: December 11, 1715 in Lebanon, New London, Connecticut d: January 08, 1788 in Norwich, Windsor, Vermont
Joseph's mother was Rebecca Snow.
1 REBECCA SNOW b: 1676 d: 1753
.. +Benjamin SMALLEY
Rebecca's father was John Snow.
1 JOHN SNOW b: 1638 d: 1692
.. +Mary Smalley b: Abt. 1638
John Snow's mother was Constance Hopkins.
1 CONSTANCE Constanta HOPKINS b: 1606 d: 1677 .. +Nicholas SNOW b: Abt. 1600
BAPTISM: 30 April 1581 at Upper Clatford, Hampshire, England, son of John and Elizabeth (Williams) Hopkins.
FIRST MARRIAGE: Mary, possibly the daughter of Robert and Joan (Machell) Kent of Hursley, co. Hampshire, prior to 1604.
SECOND MARRIAGE: Elizabeth Fisher on 19 February 1617/8 at St. Mary Matfellon, Whitechapel, co. Middlesex, England.
CHILDREN (by Mary): Elizabeth, Constance, and Giles.
CHILDREN (by Elizabeth): Damaris (died young), Oceanus, Caleb, Deborah, Damaris, Ruth, and Elizabeth.
yDNA HAPLOGROUP: R1b-M269
Our Robinson line is also R1b-M269.: upgraded with 67 allele test to R1b1a2a1a1b4- or BAPTISM: 30 April 1581 at Upper Clatford, Hampshire, England, son of John and Elizabeth (Williams) Hopkins.
FIRST MARRIAGE: Mary, possibly the daughter of Robert and Joan (Machell) Kent of Hursley, co. Hampshire, prior to 1604.
SECOND MARRIAGE: Elizabeth Fisher on 19 February 1617/8 at St. Mary Matfellon, Whitechapel, co. Middlesex, England.
CHILDREN (by Mary): Elizabeth, Constance, and Giles.
CHILDREN (by Elizabeth): Damaris (died young), Oceanus, Caleb, Deborah, Damaris, Ruth, and Elizabeth.
yDNA HAPLOGROUP: R1b-M269
Abiathar Smith Robinson's family:
Descendants of Abiathar Smith Robinson
1 [4] Abiathar Smith Robinson b: December 1829 in New York/ Vermont
.. +Julia Ann Tuller b: December 18, 1834 in Royalton, Windsor, Vermont
. 2 Rix Roberson Robinson b: 1852 in Vermont
..... +Jenette b: 1835 in Pennsylvania
. 2 Edgar Clyde Robinson b: 1853 in Vermont/Illinois
..... +Mary E. b: 1856 in Illinois
. 2 [1] Edward Rex Rix Robinson b: 1854 in Poss. Vermont
..... +Unknown First Wife b: Abt. 1858
. *2nd Wife of [1] Edward Rex Rix Robinson:
..... +Nora Elsie Gunning Stull b: 1856 in Indiana
. 2 [2] Nellie Elizabeth Robinson b: October 1857 in Upper Canada (Eng.)
..... +Daniel C.G. McCullom McCollem b: August 15, 1857 in prob. Magnolia, Putnam, Illinois
. *2nd Husband of [2] Nellie Elizabeth Robinson:
..... +Alexander Charles Sillik b: July 17, 1855 in Ohio/Livingston, Madison, Illinois
. 2 Emma "Hattie" Robinson b: August 1861 in Canada
..... +George D. Miller b: September 23, 1855 in Wenona, Marshall County, Illinois
. 2 John C. Robinson b: April 21, 1864 in Montreal, Canada (Eng).
..... +Hermia Howell b: August 09, 1863 in Dana, LaSalle, Illinois
. 2 Julia Robinson b: 1865 in Vermont
. 2 William S. Robinson b: June 1867 in prob. Wenona, Marshall County, Illinois
..... +Carrie Monninge Moninger b: 1866 in Illinois
. 2 [3] Frank Hugh Robinson b: June 21, 1870 in Wenona,Marshall County, Illinois
..... +Alice Mitchell b: January 1877 in Iowa
. *2nd Wife of [3] Frank Hugh Robinson:
..... +Gustafva"Augusta" Johansson Gustafson b: January 31, 1870 in (Village) Lumsheden, Svardsjo parish, Kopparbergs lan (county)Dalarna Province, Sweden
. 2 Minnie J. Robinson b: November 1875 in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois
..... +Louis Sherman Cusac b: January 20, 1866 in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois,
. 2 Arthur Roy Robinson b: May 18, 1880 in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois
..... +Minnie Mae Smith b: June 22, 1885 in Varna, Marshall, Illinois
*2nd Wife of [4] Abiathar Smith Robinson:
.. +Mary Jane Unknown Walters b: November 1832 in Ohio
Labels: Durkee, genealogy, Smalley, Snow, Stephen Hopkins, Tuller
Richard Warren of Mayflower on Robinson Tree
Thanks to finding cousin Sandra Wall, I find that we have another connection to an ancestor that was a passenger on the ship, The Mayflower. My first knowledge of such a connection was that we were connected to Richard Warren, who was the 13th signer of their Mayflower Compact. All these connections go back to our great grandmother, Julia Ann Tuller b: 1834 who was the wife of ggrandfather Abiathar Smith Robinson and our ggrandmother.
It goes this way. Julia Ann Tuller was the 1st cousin 3 times removed of Reverend Martin Tuller
Descendants of MARTIN Tuller, Reverend. I'll show how we arrive to Martin Tuller at the end.
1 [1] MARTIN Tuller, Reverend b: May 30, 1753 in Egremont, Berks,Mass. Bay Province, Massachusetts d: October 01, 1813 in Royalton, Windsor, Vermont
.. +Fanny Unknown b: Abt. 1753 d: in Royalton, Vermont
*2nd Wife of [1] MARTIN Tuller, Reverend:
.. +MARY Brown b: July 13, 1761 in Tiverton, Rhode Island d: November 11, 1799 in Royalton, Vermont
*3rd Wife of [1] MARTIN Tuller, Reverend:
.. +Charlotte Clapp Whitney b: January 10, 1763 in Westfield, Massachusetts d: April 08, 1833 in E. Cambridge/ Boston, Massachussetts
Martin Tuller was married to Mary Brown who is the connection.
Her father was Abraham Brown.
1 ABRAHAM Brown b: January 01, 1734/35 in Tiverton, Rhode Island d: May 24, 1799 in Tiverton, Little Compton, Rhode, Island
.. +Abigail Wilbur b: September 17, 1730 in Little Compton, Rhode Island d: October 31, 1811 in Tiverton, Rhode Island
Abraham Brown's mother was Sarah Corey.
Descendants of SARAH Corey
1 SARAH Corey b: Abt. 1709 in Dartmouth, Massachusetts d: Abt. 1795
.. +Abraham Brown b: Bet. 1707 - 1709 in Tiverton, Little Compton, Rhode, Island d: 1746 in Tiverton, Little Compton, Rhode, Island
Sarah's mother was Sarah Tabor.
1 SARAH Taber b: 1671 in Dartmouth d: Bef. 1732 in Tiverton, Little Compton, Rhode, Island
.. +Thomas Corey b: 1661 in Portsmouth, Rhode Isalnd d: March 21, 1737/38 in Tiverton, Rhode Island
I am the 9th great granddaughter of Richard Warren who was born in 1578.
My children are his 10th great grandchildren. My grandson is Richard's 11th great grandson.
9 generations ago, I had 512 ancestors, 256 female and 256 male. That takes me most likely to the year 1791.
I have to go back further than 10 generations ago when I had 1,024 ancestors of which 512 were female
and 512 were males. This would only take me back to the year 1766. Glad I've found a few through genealogy
searches. .
Resource: http://mayflowerhistory.com/mayflower-passenger-list/
Labels: Abiathar Smith Robinson, Julia Ann Tuller, Mayflower, Mayflower Compact, richard Warren