Robinson Genealogy

 Nadene Goldfoot                                             

Our DNA connects us to a Robinson line with us both coming from Meppershall, Bedforshire, England.  Meppershall is a hilltop village in Bedfordshire near Shefford, Campton, Shillington, Stondon and surrounded by farmland. The village and the manor house are mentioned in the Domesday Book in 1086 - with the entry reading: Malpertesselle/Maperteshale: Gilbert FitzSolomon. (Fitz (pronounced "fits") was a patronymic indicator used in Anglo-Norman England to help ... Thus fitz Bernard, would indicate the person so referred was "son of .Bernard;  ..  Irish families used this when anglicizing their Gaelic patronymic surnames.)

Actually, our Big Y DNA test shows we are connected to the Fitzpatricks of Ireland. Our Big Y DNA test shows my 1st cousin Robinson matching James V Dyer, A. Sullivan and D.L. Fitzpatrick.   Grandpa Robinson had told us that our ancestors were from Wales, however.  Well, at about age 16, he had left home and must have had a shaky knowledge of his family lore.  

Through a few samples of DNA of someone in the group saying they are on the genealogy of Isaac Robinson, this is not our Robinson line, but it is the line that my grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinson (6/21/1870-5/27/1952) thought we belonged to.  He had said that his ancestors came over not on the Mayflower but a ship after that.  He and I took for granted that he was talking about his Robinson line.  It could have been another.  He was not a Quaker, but a Methodist.  

In 1630 John Winthrop (1587-1649) organized a fleet of 11 ships to carry almost 1000 immigrants from England to America and founded the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Departing in two groups in April and May, they arrived at various dates in June and July.

A key catalyst for this big migration was the internal strife in England in the first half of the 17th Century.  The Stuart dynasty has just come to power and aligned itself with the Church of England (Anglican faith) and began intense persecution of those who practised Catholicism (the predecessor of Anglican church) and Puritans, which was the intended to be a even more "pure" form of Christian faith than either the Catholic or Anglican church.  There was also the rich acquiring up a lot of farmlands forcing the poor off their farms and into London.  Then the Thirty Years War started in 1618 that pitted England and other Protestant countries against the Catholic countries of Spain and Central Europe.

The Winthrop Fleet consisted of eleven ships sailing from Yarmouth, Isle of Wight to Salem. Some sailed April 8, arriving June 13, 1630 and the following days, the others to sail in May, arriving in July.

Winthrop Fleet Large list of names of passengers to New England 1630 on board the ships: The Ambrose; The Arabella; The Charles; The Hopewell; The Jewel; The Mayflower; The Success; The Talbot ; The Trial; The Whale; The William & Francis. This list is from the excellent book: _The Winthrop Fleet of 1630_: (An Account of the Vesselseake, Robert Fien English Homes from Original Authorities) by Charles Edward Banks. It is believed by Banks to be a complete list, gathered from many sources.

From another source: 

The Winthrop Fleet consisted of eleven ships sailing from Yarmouth, Isle of Wright to Salem. Some sailed April 8, arriving June 13, 1630 and the following days, the others to sail in May, arriving in July. The total count of passengers is believed to be about seven hundred, and presumed to have included the following people. Financing was by the Mass. Bay Company.

The ships were the 1.Arbella flagship with Capt Peter Milburne, the 2.Ambrose, the 3.Charles, the 4.Mayflower, the 5.Jewel, the 6.Hopewell, the 7.Success, the 8.Trial, the 9.Whale, the 10.Talbot and the 11.William and Francis.

Sailed April 8 1630: Ambrose, Arbella, Hopewell, Talbot, (arrived June 13)

Sailed May 1630: Charles, Jewel, Mayflower, Success, Trial, Whale, William and Francis (arrived in July).  

(Ships Lyon 1630 and Mary and John sailed in 1631.)

Winthrop wrote to his wife just before they set sail that there were seven hundred passengers.  Six months after their arrival, Thomas Dudley wrote to Bridget Fiennes, Countess of Lincoln and mother of Lady Arbella and Charles Fiennes, that over two hundred passengers had died between their landing April 30 and the following December, 1630.  That letter traveled via the Lyon April 1, 1631 and reached England four week later.

 In 1630, their population was significantly increased when the ship Mary and John arrived in New England carrying 140 passengers from the English West Country counties of Dorset, Somerset, Devon, and Cornwall. These included William Phelps along with Roger Ludlowe, John Mason, Rev. John Warham and John Maverick, Nicholas Upsall, Henry Wolcott and other men who would become prominent in the founding of a new nation. It was the first of eleven ships later called the Winthrop Fleet to land in Massachusetts. (none of my surnames)

Isaac Robinson, son of Pastor John Robinson, who sent the Pilgrims in Holland on the Mayflower in 1620,:  Isaac arrived Boston Harbor on ship Lyon. He had departed from Bristol on December 11, 1630 on a tempestuous 66-day journey..  That's 2 months on a ship with sails and no motor.  He arrived on February 5, 1631 in the Boston Harbor.  

Read more: http://rootingforancestors.blogspot.com/2018/12/2018-christy-k.html#ixzz7M6lLlRnx

Resource:

http://wwwrobinsongenealogy.blogspot.com/2019/07/first-robinsons-to-america-ships-first.html

https://familypedia.fandom.com/wiki/Immigrant_ships_to_America/First_Families/Winthrop_Fleet#:~:text=In%201630%20John%20Winthrop%20(1587,dates%20in%20June%20and%20July.

Frank Hugh Robinson's family story

They Came In Ships, by John P. Colletta, Ph.D.

https://www.packrat-pro.com/ships/winthrop.htm

Labels: 11 ships, Dyer, Isaac Robinson, shhip Lyon, ship Mary and John, Winthrop Fleet-1630

# posted by Nadene Goldfoot @ 7:12 AM 0 comments

Nadene Goldfoot
                                                                       

The results of FTDNA's Big Y Test are that my maternal grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinson, and his father before him, Abiathar Smith Robinson of Vermont, were carrying the Y haplogroup of R1b1a2a1a1b4, which was later tested at a higher level to be R-L21, which at the Big Y level is now pronounced to be R-FT111213.   Only one other male has tested this high and is the same match to my cousin whose surname is also Robinson.  This is a Dyer, going back to a Ralph Dyer born in 1410 in Somerset, England.   We have a genetic distance of 9.  

As it turns out, another Dyer with the same name is also a 5th cousin, sharing DNA with my cousin who tested.  The largest segment shared was on chromosome #6 amounting to 8.13cMs.  Chromosomes 5, 6, (6), 7, 10, 11, 14, 14 also shared teeny amounts from 1.62 cMs to 3.11cMs.  Our common ancestor's odds at 12 generations ago is 300 years and at 20 generations ago is 500 years, so between 300 to 500 years ago we had a common ancestor between the years of 1520 to 1720, we connected.  Interestingly, both men testing; my cousin and the new Dyer,  also had the mtDNA haplogroup of H.  H did cover almost half of Europe.  
                                                  

Frank Hugh Robinson b:June 21, 1870

Both of these two Y haplogroup matching men's results were the results from the Fitzpatrick DNA group who found we had some similar genes worth noting.  This must mean that we have some Irish genes as well in these English Robinson genes.  All along my grandfather's life, he thought his Robinsons came from Wales, as that's what he told us.
This information would be a wonderful birthday gift for my grandfather!  
                                                   

                                                     

Our origins should then go back to Somerset, England with the Dyer line, as his findings go back that far.   Somerset is a county in South West England which borders Gloucestershire and Bristol to the north, Wiltshire to the east, Dorset to the south-east and Devon to the south-west. It is bounded to the north and west by the Severn Estuary and the Bristol Channel, its coastline facing southeastern Wales.  Well, Grandpa was close! 

                                 Robinson Family  
                  Frank died in 1952 and Augusta in 1955  

Center is Frank's wife, Augusta from Sweden and son Edward Kenneth and daughter Mildred Elizabeth. Ed died in 1988 and Mildred in 2005.

England has had many marriages of Robinson and Dyer.  On LDS Family Search I found 20 on their first page.  Example:
1. Edward Robinson m: Joane Dyer in 1608 in Andover, Hampshire, England. 
2. Elinor Robinson m: John Dyer in 1715 in Worcester, Worchestershire, England.  

Eight marriages since 1940 have taken place in Somerset, which is like a county to Americans, between Dyer and Robinson.  

To reiterate, there are 2 Dyers matching our Robinson; one with the Y haplogroup test, and another in the familyfinder test.  I do not know if they are related, but would think they are.  And I thought I had big problems tracking the surname of Robinson!  

Update: Noon: Our ggrandfather, Abiathar Smith Robinson, was married to Julia Ann Tuller b: 1834 who I found in Royalton, Windsor, Vermont on the 1850 census at age 15. I've also found a Jonathan Dyer b: 1771 in Massachusetts in Royalton since 1810 as well.   He had a son, Ezra Dyer b: 1800 in Royalton.  These Dyers do not connect to the Maine Dyers; at least not yet. 

1  [1] JONATHAN DYER, Sr. b: 1771 in Braintree, Norfolk, Massachusetts d: February 24, 1862 in Royalton, Windsor, Vermont
.. +Betsy Bacon b: 1779 d: 1804 m: April 02, 1795
*2nd Wife of [1] JONATHAN DYER, Sr.:
.. +Loisa Adams b: Abt. 1785 in prob. Royalton, Windsor, Vermont d: January 26, 1848 in Royalton, Windsor, Vermont m: 1806

1  Marshall Lorenzo Dyer, Corporal b: January 13, 1846 in Brighton, Essex, Vermont/ Brookton Town, Washington, Maine d: August 21, 1923 in Island Pond, Essex, Vermont

.. +Adelaide G. Robinson b: July 06, 1848 in Charleston, Vermont d: February 16, 1885 in Island Pond, Essex, Vermont m: September 01, 1871 in Brighton, Essex, Vermont

Resource:
https://wwwrobinsongenealogy.blogspot.com/2020/04/robinson-dyer-connection.html

Labels: dna, Dyer, England, R-FT111213, R-L21, Robinson, Somerset, Y haplogroup

# posted by Nadene Goldfoot @ 8:04 AM 0 comments

1st cousin Ken Robinson who was DNA tested

Our grandpa, Frank Hugh Robinson. Behind him is his son, Edward Kenneth Robinson b: 1915 father of Ken Robinson and brother of my mother.

Our grandfather as a child and his father, Abiathar Smith Robinson who was born in Vermont December 7, 1829 and died in 1904 in Wenona, Illinois.

Nadene Goldfoot                                             

Our grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinson b: 1870 in Illinois

My male 1st cousin Robinson has a rare Y haplogroup of R1b1a2a1a1b4 in his original 37 allele test, and after taking the Big Y haplogroup test, came out with having R-A1487.  It actually traces to the Fitzpatricks of Ireland in our deep history, even though most indications show our ancestors were from England.  Not enough Robinson males have tested to find out more.

Our only Y haplogroup match is with James V. Dyer, and I have found a connection of Robinson -Dyer.
They have a distance of 9.. 

Descendants of Morgan L. Marshall

1  Morgan L. Marshall b: 1821 in Vernon, Oneida, New York d: May 06, 1883 in Theresa, Jefferson, New York
.. +Eleonora Elmira Dyer b: April 1831 in New York d: 1917
. 2  Agnes Marshall b: 1853 in Oswego, Oneida, New York
. 2  Dyer Marshall b: 1858 in Oswego, New York

. 2  Nellie May Marshall b: September 1863 in Oswego, New York d: Bef. April 1930 in Oswego, Oswego, NY
..... +Charles Herbert Robinson b: April 1860 in New York d: October 01, 1944 in Pierrepont Manor, Jefferson, New York m: 1883 in Wayne, Oswego, New York
..... 3  Jessie K. Robinson b: November 1884 in Oswego, NY d: 1949
......... +Unknown Lytle b: Abt. 1885 in Prob. New York
......... 4  Marshall Lytle b: 1915 in Oswego, NY
..... 3  Morgan Marshall Robinson b: December 11, 1888 in Fruit Valley, Oswego, New York
......... +Eunice McClary b: 1894 m: December 16, 1914 in Oswego, New York
..... 3  Agnes C. Robinson b: March 1895 in Oswego, NY
..... 3  Lucia M. Robinson b: April 1897 in Sandy Creek, Oswego, NY
..... 3  Catherine M. Robinson b: November 1899 in Oswego, Oswego, NY
                                                  

Another picture from Tom, 2nd cousin of our mutual grandfather, Abiathar Smith Robinson.  This is a younger version of my picture.

I looked in  Family Finder and found many Dyer-Robinson connections that had happened in England.  
1. Richard Dyer married in 1777 to Martha Robinson in Hampshire, England
2. John Dyer m: 1859 to Esther Robinson.in Warwickshire, England
3. William Dyer m: 1829 to Elizabeth Robinson
4. John Dyer m: 1715 to Elinor Robinson in Worcestershire, England
5. John Dyer m: May 21, 1758 to Mary Robinson in Reading Berkshire, England
6. Albert Edward Dyer m: 1907 to Lydia Ann Robinson
7. Edwin Thomas Dyer m: 1890 to Charlotte Dorothy Robinson
8. John Dyer m: July 6, 1759 to Mary Robinson in Reading, Berkshire, England

Then I found a few in Michigan, USA
1. Thomas H Dyer m: 1877 to J.N. Robinson
2. Raymond B. Dyer in 1925 to Myrtle M. Robinson

More came up from England and finally I found someone from New York:
1. Henry Dyer born in Connecticut, with parents of John Dyer and Sarah Scott, married in Manhattan, NY in 1885 to Julia Robinson and a John Robinson was in her life.  

There were pages and pages of Dyers marrying Robinsons.  I even found one in Ireland:
John Dyer married in 1847 in Leinster, Ireland to Elizabeth Ann Robinson.  

Here's one I must work on. 
Marshall L. Dyer married on either the 1st or 8th of September 1871 in Vermont to Addie G. Robinson whose father was Elijah Robinson b 1808 in Weathersfield, Windsor, Vermont.  This line of Robinsons as I worked on it goes back to the Reverend John Robinson who told the Pilgrims in Holland to go to America on the Mayflower.  

  He is Marshall Lorenzo Dyer b: January 13, 1846 in Brookton Town, Washington, Maine  died 22 August 1923 in Vermont.  Marshall is also a name used twice that I know of on my tree already from New York on the Dyer tree.  
I have found many female Dyers marrying Robinsons in Maine.  
Their child listed was George Levi Dyer b: 1875 in Brighton, Essex, Vermont.  He was the town clerk and died at age 71 in 1947.  

I did find a Hubert Dyer marry on May 25, 1908 in Maine to Sophia Robinson.  
Maine is very important because the closest  Robinson match that my 1st male cousin has in a James Robinson with ancestors from Maine.  This is also confirmed on FTDNA, and ours is from Vermont.  

Family Search has pages and pages of Dyers marrying Robinsons.  All I did was print Dyer in the surname of the person I was searching and under spouse, I printed in the surname section-Robinson.  No dates.  It all came up.  This was a new tool for me.  I was charged up and needed to find a connection.  Wow!  
Robinson was the 16th most popular surname when I started my hobby of genealogy, but I never knew about Dyer.  
  
FTDNAs Family Search shows that JVDyer has a distance of 9 meaning 5 out of 565 difference in the Big Y test so according to the Tip tool, we go back 16 generations and have an 82.57% chance to match; or go back 24 generations and have a 98.99% chance so for sure, if we go back to the year 1420, we should find our common ancestor.   As for our matching DNA, we don't on FTDNA, but might with GedMatchgenesis today as their tools will show matches under 5 cMs.  However, the other James Robinson is a match to us as a 5th cousin.  Our chromosome #6 has a segment of 8.13cMs.  

Our Dyer Y haplogroup match stems from Palmyra, Somerset, Maine.  Lots of Dyers there:

Labels: Dyer, Family Tree DNA, familyfinder, genealogy, Robinson

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