Tuesday, December 10, 2019
Possible Connection of Clans Between Our Robinson Line and Irish Fitzpatrick Line
Nadene Goldfoot
My mother was Mildred Elizabeth Robinson before marrying my father, Morris Goldfoot. I started our family genealogy and discovered that Robinson was the 16th most popular surname in the USA. There was even a President Mary Therese Winifred Robinson nee Bourke of Ireland from 1990 to 1997, an independent woman married to Nicholas Robinson. The USA was populated first by Pastor John Robinson's flock in Holland, who he sent over on the Mayflower. There are Jewish Robinsons and Black Robinsons. I had to get my only male first cousin Robinson DNA tested. I had found out that our great grandfather Robinson was from Vermont. New England was loaded with Robinsons. Who was our ggrandfather and where did this line come from? We eventually discovered that the Y haplogroup line of our male Robinsons was first called R1b1a2a1a1b4, then changed to R-L21. We had very few dna matches showing some kind of dna relationship. What a shock after finding so many Robinsons in the past.
Recently I was contacted by the head of the Fitzpatrick clan on Family Tree DNA about my male 1st cousin Robinson. He had some interesting connections to the Fitzpatrick clan. The update is that they are sponsoring the Big Y DNA Test for my cousin to see if their theory is correct. What they are looking for is evidence leading to their own ancient clan connections. This goes way way back. So I dug out my book once again, Saxons, Vikings, and Celts by Bryan Sykes, the author of THE SEVEN DAUGHTERS OF EVE which tells about the original 7 women bearing 7 mitrochronial lines of us women.
An important event in the British Isles which affected their future Y dna of the population was the "Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland beginning in the 12th century." We have to go back in time much farther to discover that families were into family clans, and not villages, towns or cities then.
Egypt's history goes back at least 15,000 years. Moses leading the Israelites out of Egypt was born in 1391 BCE and died at the age of 120 in 1271 BCE. I discovered that men in Ireland living in clans were there around 7,300 years ago, or about 5,300 BCE.
The clans existing in he British Isles were Oisin, Wodan, Sigurd, Eshu and Re. Our interest most likely is Oisin. Each one was started by one man, like Abraham started his presumed Y haplogroup of J1 in the Middle East, the Israelites. Oisin is pronounced as Osheen.
"The vast majority of Irish Y-chromosomes are members of just one clan, the clan of Oisin." Author Bryan Sykes gives us this name as part of his research, for clans have to have names and there is no written record of such other than stories. In Irish history Oisin was the son of the hero of another of the Irish mythical cycles, FIN mac CUMHAILL, also known as Finn mac Cool.
Almost 80% of Irish chromosomes belong to the clan of Oisin. We can divide Ireland into 4 ancient provinces and see that each has striking differences.
1. The SE part of Leinster has 73 % of Y -chromosomes in the clan of Oisin.
2. The NE part of Ulster has 81% of Oisin.
3. The SW part of Munster has 95% in Oisin.
4. The NW part of Connacht has 98% in Oisin.
Dan Bradly, researcher of the above, remembered that the Anglo-Norman invasion and occupation of Ireland in the 12th century and thinks that has a lot to do with this result. The invasion had begun in the South East where the Oisin clan was in its lowest proportion. "The Anglo Norman invasion of Ireland took place in stages during the late 12th century and led to the Anglo-Normans Kingdom of England conquering large swathes of land from the Irish. At the time, Gaelic Ireland was made up of several kingdoms, with a High King claiming lordship over the lesser kings."
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This is the quintessential Oisin Y-chromosome and huge numbers of Irish men carry it.
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This is the 1st 12 alleles of my cousin's DNA test. Though we're not a match in this sense, there are segments like the 14 and following two 12s that match that Fitzpatrick might be interested in. However, in the BIG Y test, there are dna segments that I have not seen that they are anxious to find and compare with their DNA.
My cousin's new kit is being mailed today to FTDNA for testing. In about 6 weeks we should have some results.
Today I received information from Academia's paper by Dr. Joe Flood on this same subject only going back even farther. What I can read is this:
Resource: Family Tree DNA
Saxons, Vikings, and Celts-the genetic roots of Britain and Ireland by Bryan Sykes
Mike Fitzpatrick
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| Mildred Elizabeth Goldfoot nee Robinson Daughter of Frank Hugh Robinson, son of Abiathar Smith Robinson married to Julia Ann Tuller of Royalton, Windsor, Vermont. |
My mother was Mildred Elizabeth Robinson before marrying my father, Morris Goldfoot. I started our family genealogy and discovered that Robinson was the 16th most popular surname in the USA. There was even a President Mary Therese Winifred Robinson nee Bourke of Ireland from 1990 to 1997, an independent woman married to Nicholas Robinson. The USA was populated first by Pastor John Robinson's flock in Holland, who he sent over on the Mayflower. There are Jewish Robinsons and Black Robinsons. I had to get my only male first cousin Robinson DNA tested. I had found out that our great grandfather Robinson was from Vermont. New England was loaded with Robinsons. Who was our ggrandfather and where did this line come from? We eventually discovered that the Y haplogroup line of our male Robinsons was first called R1b1a2a1a1b4, then changed to R-L21. We had very few dna matches showing some kind of dna relationship. What a shock after finding so many Robinsons in the past.
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| My Robinson cousin with his wife |
Recently I was contacted by the head of the Fitzpatrick clan on Family Tree DNA about my male 1st cousin Robinson. He had some interesting connections to the Fitzpatrick clan. The update is that they are sponsoring the Big Y DNA Test for my cousin to see if their theory is correct. What they are looking for is evidence leading to their own ancient clan connections. This goes way way back. So I dug out my book once again, Saxons, Vikings, and Celts by Bryan Sykes, the author of THE SEVEN DAUGHTERS OF EVE which tells about the original 7 women bearing 7 mitrochronial lines of us women.
An important event in the British Isles which affected their future Y dna of the population was the "Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland beginning in the 12th century." We have to go back in time much farther to discover that families were into family clans, and not villages, towns or cities then.
Egypt's history goes back at least 15,000 years. Moses leading the Israelites out of Egypt was born in 1391 BCE and died at the age of 120 in 1271 BCE. I discovered that men in Ireland living in clans were there around 7,300 years ago, or about 5,300 BCE.
The clans existing in he British Isles were Oisin, Wodan, Sigurd, Eshu and Re. Our interest most likely is Oisin. Each one was started by one man, like Abraham started his presumed Y haplogroup of J1 in the Middle East, the Israelites. Oisin is pronounced as Osheen.
"The vast majority of Irish Y-chromosomes are members of just one clan, the clan of Oisin." Author Bryan Sykes gives us this name as part of his research, for clans have to have names and there is no written record of such other than stories. In Irish history Oisin was the son of the hero of another of the Irish mythical cycles, FIN mac CUMHAILL, also known as Finn mac Cool.
1. The SE part of Leinster has 73 % of Y -chromosomes in the clan of Oisin.
2. The NE part of Ulster has 81% of Oisin.
3. The SW part of Munster has 95% in Oisin.
4. The NW part of Connacht has 98% in Oisin.
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| The invasion of Ireland by the Anglo Normans The Norman invasion was a watershed in the history of Ireland, marking the beginning of more than 800 years of direct English and, later, British involvement in Ireland. |
11-24-13-13-12-14-12-12-10-16
This is the quintessential Oisin Y-chromosome and huge numbers of Irish men carry it.
12-21-14-11-11-14-12-12-12-13-13-29
This is the 1st 12 alleles of my cousin's DNA test. Though we're not a match in this sense, there are segments like the 14 and following two 12s that match that Fitzpatrick might be interested in. However, in the BIG Y test, there are dna segments that I have not seen that they are anxious to find and compare with their DNA.
My cousin's new kit is being mailed today to FTDNA for testing. In about 6 weeks we should have some results.
Today I received information from Academia's paper by Dr. Joe Flood on this same subject only going back even farther. What I can read is this:
The phylogenealogy of R-L21: four and a half millennia of expansion and redistribution
Saxons, Vikings, and Celts-the genetic roots of Britain and Ireland by Bryan Sykes
Mike Fitzpatrick
Labels: Anglo Norman Invasion, BIG Y Test, clans, Fitzpatrick, Irish, Robinson
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