Sunday, March 27, 2011


New DNA Title: R1b1a2

"R1b1a2 (M269) is by far the most frequent subgroup today, more than half of Western European and (due to the colonization) American males belong to this line, including over 99% of the R1b project members. It is thought to have originated most likely in Anatolia around 8000 years ago (6500-8500 years with confidence). It had a gradual expansion from the Middle East/Anatolia into Europe through the Balkans and the Danube Valley. In its M269* (L23-) form, it is found rarely around the Mediterranean, Anatolia, the Balkans, and we also have a Jewish cluster".
3/28/11: FTDNA is offering our test to be upgraded to do a deep clade test for a good price,  so I just ordered it this morning. 

We have a match that I have been able to contact by email and phone at the 12 allele level that is 12 for 12.  It is with another J.K. Robinson in California.  .

The results of a new match with J.A. Robinson , 12 for 12 alleles show that we have a distance of 3 at the 37 allele level which means that at  at 12 generations or about 300 years ago we had a 73.96 % chance of sharing a common ancestor.  We both have genealogy trees that go way back, so it means that our Robinson line fits somewhere on his tree just about back to the year 1711.

Also, I have been working on this very same tree, if I researched correctly, that also belongs to the Robinson family of Amos Robinson and Deborah Hyde back in 1734 of which I have found researchers S. and K. Robinsons who are now my friends.  S. is having her brother take the 12 allele dna test to establish whether or not his line belongs to our rare dna line of R1b1a2 (just now changed from R1b1b2).It was ordered on 3/20/11.    At the 12 allele level this whole long title won't be known, but the crux of the matter is whether they can be a 12 for 12 match with us and that would mean starting with the DYS #393 with a 12 and not a 13.  I have a theory that our Robinson b: 1829  comes from Amos Robinson born in Royalton, Vermont because he was born in Vermont and married Julia Ann Tuller in the nearby town of Tunbridge, Vermont in 1852.  Amos and his sons were there in Royalton at this time around the time of his birth. 

D. Robinson's father, buried in the same cemetery as my ggrandfather, Abiathar Smith Robinson was a  R1b but starting with a DYS#393 of 13!  Were we ever shocked.  They had many ancestors also buried in this same cemetery.  We both had figured that we were related.  FTDNA never had us matching at the 12 allele level at all.  That first DYS # does make a difference, though in the long run if you go back thousands of years we were on the same branch of the tree to start with.  What's impressive to me is that the name Robinson must go back very very far.  I don't believe this was coincidence, though it could be.  Perhaps it does go back to Robin Hood.   

Reference: FamilyTree DNA


What's the complete signature for your 12 marker Y-DNA sample?
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