Robinson Genealogy

Nadene Goldfoot                                                  

The deer/stag/Buck:  represents peace and harmony; policy to those who read these shields  My Uncle Kenny did go deer hunting in the fall.  

The Big Y DNA test at FTDNA showed that our Robinson line had an Irish origin, belonging to the Fitzpatrick clan.  Robinson means 'the son of Robert."  Variants of the Irish Robinson has been Robison, Robbins, Robyn, Robson, Robeson, and just plain Robin.  It's been found to be of Anglo-Norman descent and spread not only to Ireland but also Scotland and Wales in early times and found in many mediaeval manuscripts in these countries.  The DNA test shows we have many distant Irish cousins.  Our grandfather had told us the family (which one-his father Robinson or mother's side of Tuller had come from Wales.) It's what he remembered as he had run away from home when about 16. 

Osraige or Osraighe, Osraí, anglicized as Ossory, was a medieval Irish kingdom comprising what is now County Kilkenny and western County Laois, corresponding to the Diocese of Ossory. The home of the Osraige people, it existed from around the first century until the Norman invasion of Ireland in the 12th century.  This could be the origins of my mother's Robinsons.  

Ossory,  an ancient kingdom of Ireland,   won for itself a semi-independent position as a state within the kingdom of Leinster, probably in the 1st century AD. In the 9th century it was ruled by an able king, Cerball, who allied himself with the Norse invaders and figured in later centuries as an ancestor of some important families in Iceland. When surnames were introduced, the dynasts descended from him in Ireland were known as Mac Gillápadraig, a name transformed under Norman influence into Fitzpatrick. In the 11th century they contended for the kingship of Leinster but were soon overwhelmed by the south Leinster family of MacMurrough.

                      Milesius, father of the Irish Race

Legend records that the Fitzpatrick clan descended from Milesius, King of Spain.  Milesius planned to go to Ireland, but died before he could make it.   Scota, wife of Milesius, and their three sons did make it Ireland.  Eireamhon, son of Miesius and Scota, is thought to be the ancestor for the Fitzpatrick family.                      

Milesius, in his youth and in his father's life-time, went into Scythia, where he was kindly received by the king of that country, who gave him his daughter in marriage, and appointed him General of his forces. In this capacity Milesius defeated the king's enemies, gained much fame, and the love of all the king's subjects. His growing greatness and popularity excited against him the jealousy of the king; who, fearing the worst, resolved on privately dispatching Milesius our of the way, for, openly, he dare not attempt it. 

Admonished of the king's intentions in his regard, Milesius slew him; and thereupon quitted Scythia and retired into Egypt with a fleet of sixty sail. Pharaoh Nectonibus, then king of Egypt, being informed of his arrival and of his great valour, wisdom, and conduct in arms, made him General of all his forces against the king of Ethiopia then invading his country. (Pharaoh Nectonibus was born on date, at birth place, to Sobekemsaf II Sekhemrewadjkhaw Of Thebes,Egypt 1566 Bc-1559 Bc 7 Years 17 Dynasty and Living 17 Dynasty. Sobekemsaf was born on 1685 B.C..

Here, as in Scythia, Milesius was victorious; he forced the enemy to submit to the conqueror's own terms of peace. By these exploits Milesius found great favour with Pharaoh, who gave him, being then a widower, his daughter Scota in marriage; and kept him eight years afterwards in Egypt. 

During the sojourn of Milesius in Egypt, he employed the most ingenious and able persons among his people to be instructed in the several trades, arts, and sciences used in Egypt; in order to have them taught to the rest of his people on his return to Spain. 

At length Milesius took leave of his father-in-law, and steered towards Spain; where he arrived to the great joy and comfort of his people; who were much harassed by the rebellion of the natives and by the intrusion of other foreign nations that forced in after his father's death, and during his own long absence from Spain. With these and those he often met; and, in fifty-four battles, victoriously fought, he routed, destroyed, and totally extirpated them out of the country, which he settled in peace and quietness. So according to this legend, Ireland was connected to Spain and before that to Egypt and before that to Scythia.  

I have always  thought of England's Sherwood forest and Robin Hood as the origin of this surname.   

All the possible Robinson men within New England at the time of Abiathar Smith Robinson (Frank's father) seemed to come from Massachusetts and when their genealogy was checked, originated in England.  Most went back to a John in the 1600s in England.  What happened to a distant Robert?  One traced back to a Robert born 1465 in Redriff, Surrey, England!   

Evidently the Irish Robinsons moved on and migrated to England.  Ireland during the period of 1536–1691 saw the first full conquest of the island by England and its colonization with mostly Protestant settlers from Great Britain. This would eventually establish two central themes in future Irish history: subordination of the country to London-based governments and sectarian animosity between Catholics and Protestants.

 "The period saw Irish society outside of the Pale transform from a locally driven, intertribal, clan-based Gaelic structure to a centralised, monarchical, state-governed society, similar to those found elsewhere in Europe. The period is bounded by the dates 1536, when King Henry VIII deposed the FitzGerald dynasty as Lords Deputies of Ireland (the new Kingdom of Ireland was declared by Henry VIII in 1541), and 1691, when the Catholic Jacobites surrendered at Limerick, thus confirming Protestant dominance in Ireland. This is sometimes called the early modern period."

• Western Scotland and Northern Ireland share genetic populations.
• Groups that we think of as ‘Celtic’ – Cornish, Welsh, Irish and Scottish – are genetically diverse.
• Grandpa Robinson had said that his ancestors were from Wales.  DNA says we are connected to the Fitzpatricks of Ireland.  
• The languages of Wales and Ireland belong to the same family; they are both classed as living Celtic languages, along with Breton and Scottish Gaelic. In Wales and Ireland, it's normal for schoolchildren to be taught their native language as part of the curriculum. Figures from Ireland’s 2016 Census show that 1.7 per cent of the population speak Irish Gaelic every day. In Wales, it’s 16.3 per cent of the population speaking Welsh every day. While both languages originate from the same source, the written and spoken forms are different. A Welsh speaker would find it hard to understand Irish Gaelic. The alphabets are slightly different too - the Irish alphabet uses 18 letters, while the Welsh alphabet has 29.  According to historical records, St Patrick could have been Welsh; as he was born into a Christian family and  at the time, Wales as it is now didn't exist; it was part of the land that made up Roman Britain. Records show that St Patrick was born back in AD 387 in a place called Bannavem Taburniae, which some people believe to be Banwen in Neath Port Talbot. and he lived in a villa. He went to school until he was abducted as a teenager and forced into slavery in Ireland, working as a shepherd. He eventually escaped and sailed home, where he trained as a missionary at the Church of Llantwit Major, South Wales, and became a priest before going back to Ireland as its first bishop. Whether this actually happened is unproven, but it's an interesting and romantic story to say the least, and one that binds Wales and Ireland together.

Resource:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ireland_(1536%E2%80%931691)

https://www.irishsurnames.com/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?name=robinson&capname=Robinson&letter=r

http://www.oum.ox.ac.uk/settlers/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythia

• Add-on 7/7/2023:  
• https://www.wales.com/about/culture/links-between-wales-and-ireland#:~:text=Linguistic%20links,as%20part%20of%20the%20curriculum.

 

 Nadene Goldfoot

My grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinson of Portland, Oregon had mentioned that his people came from Wales.  In doing genealogy of the family since I've had a computer, I haven't run across any of my sources coming from anyplace other than England.  Where did he pick up such ideas as Wales?  He had left home at about the age of 16 as an angry teen.  His father, Abiathar Smith Robinson had not allowed him to save his horse on a Sunday that was out in the field with the bull.  Evidently his horse was killed by the bull and he left home.  That happened when they lived Wenona, Illinois.  Abiathar had been born in Vermont;  possibly Royalton or Tunbridge, Vermont.  

At 1:00 am just a few minutes ago as I lay in bed wide awake, I thought of that and realized I had never checked out Wales and Robinsons.  We had already done the Big Y DNA test with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) and Big Y Haplogroup Test, and discovered that we had Irish roots.  

So I just typed in a few words and look what I discovered:

       Wales

"Wales and Ireland are not only geographically close – within 300 miles (482 km) of each other – but they share a special bond as Celtic siblings. Over the centuries, the two countries have inspired each other, helped each other, and provided opportunities for collaboration and growth. Here, we look at some of the bonds between the two countries.

                           Ireland

The languages of Wales and Ireland belong to the same family; they are both classed as living Celtic languages, along with Breton and Scottish Gaelic. In Wales and Ireland, it's normal for schoolchildren to be taught their native language as part of the curriculum. Figures from Ireland’s 2016 Census show that 1.7 per cent of the population speak Irish Gaelic every day. In Wales, it’s 16.3 per cent of the population speaking Welsh every day.                                       

Who were the Celts?   Celtic literary tradition begins with Old Irish texts around the 8th century AD. Elements of Celtic mythology are recorded in early Irish and early Welsh literature. Most written evidence of the early Celts comes from Greco-Roman writers, who often grouped the Celts as barbarian tribes. They followed an ancient Celtic religion overseen by druids.

The Celts were often in conflict with the Romans, such as in the Roman–Gallic wars, the Celtiberian Wars, the conquest of Gaul and conquest of Britain. By the 1st century AD, most Celtic territories had become part of the Roman Empire. By c. 500, due to Romanisation and the migration of Germanic tribes, Celtic culture had mostly become restricted to Ireland, western and northern Britain, and Brittany. Between the 5th and 8th centuries, the Celtic-speaking communities in these Atlantic regions emerged as a reasonably cohesive cultural entity. They had a common linguistic, religious and artistic heritage that distinguished them from surrounding cultures.

While both languages originate from the same source, the written and spoken forms are different. A Welsh speaker would find it hard to understand Irish Gaelic. The alphabets are slightly different too - the Irish alphabet uses 18 letters, while the Welsh alphabet has 29.

Despite these differences, both countries are committed to keeping their Celtic languages alive through educational policy, cultural events, literature, and music.

 Going back in history in 1282, the death of Llywelyn ap Gruffudd led to the conquest of the Principality of Wales by King Edward I of England; since then, the heir apparent to the English monarch has borne the title "Prince of Wales". The Welsh launched several revolts against English rule, the last significant one being that led by Owain Glyndŵr in the early 15th century. In the 16th century Henry VIII, himself of Welsh extraction as a great-grandson of Owen Tudor, passed the Laws in Wales Acts aiming to fully incorporate Wales into the Kingdom of England.

Stephen Oppenheimer (born 1947) is a British paediatrician, geneticist, and writer. He is a graduate of Balliol College, Oxford and an honorary fellow of the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine.  Oppenheimer trained in medicine at Oxford and London universities, qualifying in 1971. From 1972 he worked as a clinical paediatrician, mainly in Malaysia, Nepal and Papua New Guinea. He carried out and published clinical research in the areas of nutrition, infectious disease (including malaria), and genetics, focussing on the interactions between nutrition, genetics and infection, in particular iron nutrition, thalassaemia and malaria. From 1979 he moved into medical research and teaching, with positions at the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine, Oxford University, a research centre in Kilifi, Kenya, and the Universiti Sains Malaysia in Penang.

Stephen Oppenheimer, son of David Oppenheimer, is a medical geneticist at the University of Oxford, says the historians’ account is wrong in almost every detail. In Dr. Oppenheimer’s reconstruction of events, the principal ancestors of today’s British and Irish populations arrived from Spain about 16,000 years ago, speaking a language related to Basque.

The British Isles were unpopulated then, wiped clean of people by glaciers that had smothered northern Europe for about 4,000 years and forced the former inhabitants into southern refuges in Spain and Italy. When the climate warmed and the glaciers retreated, people moved back north.

In all, about three-quarters of the ancestors of today’s British and Irish populations arrived between 15,000 and 7,500 years ago, when rising sea levels finally divided Britain and Ireland from the Continent and from one another, Dr. Oppenheimer calculates in a new book, “The Origins of the British: A Genetic Detective Story” (Carroll & Graf, 2006).

As for subsequent invaders, Ireland received the fewest; the invaders’ DNA makes up about 12 percent of the Irish gene pool, Dr. Oppenheimer estimates, but it accounts for 20 percent of the gene pool in Wales, 30 percent in Scotland, and about one-third in eastern and southern England.

Dr. Oppenheimer said genes “have no bearing on cultural history.” There is no significant genetic difference between the people of Northern Ireland, yet they have been fighting with each other for 400 years, he said.

The earliest appearance of Robinson in the records is of a John Robynson who was listed in the Court Rolls of the Manor of Wakefied for 1324. 

Another early bearer of the surname was Katerina Robinson in 1540 (Sutterton, Lincolnshire). A carver and gilder named Wolf Robinson who lived in Boston, Lincolnshire, was listed in the 1893 UK Jewish Directory.

In 1881, farming was the most common occupation amongst Robinson family members, followed by  coal mining and agricultural labouring as the top 3 reported jobs worked by Robinson.

In 1891, the surname was widespread across England and Wales with 103,211 occurrences and a further 1,000 in Scotland. Lincolnshire was a top county with 3,965 occurrences in particular in the districts of Anderby and Alkborough. Further south, in the county of Kent, there were 1,798 occurrences.

Notable people

David Robinson OBE (1927-2017), A British journalist, author and teacher. He had a degree in Geography and an MSc in which he wrote a thesis on the coastal evolution of northeast Lincolnshire. David went on to become resident tutor of the University of Nottinghamshire for North Lincolnshire. He also served editorial roles with ‘Lincolnshire Life’ and ‘Natural World’ magazine. He was awarded an OBE for services to journalism and the community of Lincolnshire. In 2007 with a collection of papers on historical and geographical themes, titled “All Things Lincolnshire: An Anthology in Honour of David Robinson”.

SOURCES:

1881, 1891 Census

Dictionary of American Family Homes, P Hanks OUP 2003

Homes of Family Names in Great Britain, H.B. Guppy, London 1890

The Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland, P.Hanks, Coats, McClure OUP 2016

1860 Lower, Mark A Patronymica Britannica: a dictionary of the family names of the United Kingdom, London: J.R Smith. Public Domain

Resource:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEL7nCM5itg

https://www.wales.com/about/culture/links-between-wales-and-ireland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wales

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/05/science/05cnd-brits.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Oppenheimer#:~:text=Stephen%20Oppenheimer%20(born%201947)%20is,Liverpool%20School%20of%20Tropical%20Medicine.

https://www.anthro.ox.ac.uk/people/professor-stephen-oppenheimer

Labels: Celts, Dr. Stephen Oppenheimer, Great Britain, Irish, Wales, YouTube

 Nadene Goldfoot                                       

  Mistress. of  Prince Charles                                                            Mistress of King Edward VII
                           2019 official portrait   We saw her finally crowned Queen yesterday.  

Camilla (born Camilla Rosemary Shand, 17 July 1947; later Parker Bowles) is Queen of the United Kingdom and the 14 other Commonwealth realms as the wife of King Charles III

Camilla's Scottish lineage descends from King Robert III of Scotland through his daughter Mary, who was the mother of Sir William Edmonstone of Duntreath, an ancestor of her maternal great-great-grandfather, Sir William Edmonstone, 4th Baronet. Her paternal ancestors, an upper-class family, emigrated to England from Scotland. On her paternal side she is descended from James Shand, 1st Laird of Craigellie, whose father, also named James, held the office of Provost of Banff. Other noble ancestors on her paternal side include George Keith, 5th Earl Marischal, William Douglas, 7th Earl of Morton, and George Hay, 1st Earl of Kinnoull.

One of her maternal great-grandmothers, Alice Keppel, was a mistress of King Edward VII from 1898 to 1910. On 1 November 1947, Camilla Shand was baptised at St. Peter's Church, Firle, East Sussex.  We have 2 maternal grandmothers (1 our fathers' mother and 1 our mother's mother), so we have 4 great grandmothers.  

Alice Frederica Keppel (née Edmonstone; 29 April 1868 – 11 September 1947) was an aristocrat, British society hostess and a long-time mistress of King Edward VII.                                              

Keppel grew up at Duntreath Castle, the family seat of the Edmonstone baronets in Scotland. She was the youngest child of Mary Elizabeth, née Parsons, and Sir William Edmonstone, 4th Baronet. In 1891 she married George Keppel, an army officer, and they had two daughters. Alice Keppel became one of the most prominent society hostesses of the Edwardian era. Her beauty, charm and discretion impressed London society and brought her to the attention of the future King Edward VII in 1898, when he was still prince of Wales, whose mistress she remained until his death, lightening the dark moods of his later years, and holding considerable influence.

Through her younger daughter, Sonia Cubitt, Alice Keppel is the great-grandmother of Queen Camilla, the second wife of Edward VII's great-great-grandson King Charles III.

This means that Camilla and Charles are actually related, even possibly sharing a few genes.  Alice would be the gggrandmother of Queen Camilla now.   King Charles is King Edward VII's,gggrandson.  "Eldest son of the formidable Queen Victoria and Prince Albert, Edward ascended the throne when his mother died in 1901 and only reigned for nine years. With a reputation as a playboy prince, Edward’s relationship with his mother was sometimes strained. Edward VII is a maternal 2x great-grandfather of King Charles III's, making Queen Victoria his 3x great-grandmother." Charles is following in Edward's footsteps and so Camilla is following in Alice's. 

                             Portrait of Albert Edward, Prince of Wales,     by Winterhalter, 1846--king below

                  So much just like Charles:  

Edward VII (Albert Edward; 9 November 1841 – 6 May 1910) was King of the United Kingdom and the British Dominions, and Emperor of India, from 22 January 1901 until his death in 1910.

The second child and eldest son of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, and nicknamed "Bertie", Edward was related to royalty throughout Europe. He was Prince of Wales and heir apparent to the British throne for almost 60 years. During the long reign of his mother, he was largely excluded from political influence and came to personify the fashionable, leisured elite. He travelled throughout Britain performing ceremonial public duties and represented Britain on visits abroad. His tours of North America in 1860 and of the Indian subcontinent in 1875 proved popular successes, but despite public approval, his reputation as a playboy prince soured his relationship with his mother.

 Shortly after Prince Albert's death, Queen Victoria arranged for Edward to embark on an extensive tour of the Middle East, visiting Egypt, Jerusalem, Damascus, Beirut and Istanbul.The British Government wanted Edward to secure the friendship of Egypt's ruler, Said Pasha, to prevent French control of the Suez Canal if the Ottoman Empire collapsed.  As soon as Edward returned to Britain, preparations were made for his engagement, which was sealed at Laeken in Belgium on 9 September 1862. 

                               First marriage in 1863

Edward married Alexandra of Denmark at St George's Chapel, Windsor Castle, on 10 March 1863. He was 21; she was 18,                 

Edward had 55 some mistresses throughout his married life. He socialised with actress Lillie Langtry; Lady Randolph Churchill; Daisy Greville, Countess of Warwick; actress Sarah Bernhardt; noblewoman Lady Susan Vane-Tempest; singer Hortense Schneider; prostitute Giulia Beneni (known as "La Barucci"); wealthy humanitarian Agnes Keyser; and Alice Keppel. At least fifty-five liaisons are conjectured.

The current sovereign Charles III was the longest serving prince of Wales for 64 years and 44 days between 1958 and 2022. He beat out King Edward VII who waited almost 60 years to be king.  He was also heir apparent for longer than any other in British history. Upon the death of his mother on 8 September 2022, Charles became king and the title merged with the Crown.

    The wedding day of Charles III and Dianna, first wife

Was it really because they didn't become King upon age 21 that they needed a mistress so badly?  They had wives.  

Our Robinson line-from my mother and her brother and all those connected to us- is related to Queen Anne who was married to King James VII of England and was also James II Duke of York.  Anne was born March 22, 1637, died April 10, 1671.  That doesn't mean we all carry the Y haplogroup of the King's line or the Queen's line, but might have inherited a few genes. As a female, I did inherit my mother's mt haplogroup of the female line.  My daughter did also.   

We're related through my mother's father's connection to the Hyde family.  Queen Anne's father was Edward Hyde.  My blog tells all about the connection.  

The last two are also the main lines of Jewish people, with J being from the Cohens.  

Resource:

https://wwwrobinsongenealogy.blogspot.com/2023/05/our-relative-is-queen-anne-of-england.html

https://www.findmypast.com/blog/family-tree/royal-family-tree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaahPiAftxo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Keppel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VII

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_British_Isles

Labels: Alice Keppel, Camilla Shand, King Charles III, King Edward VII, mistressses