Nadene Goldfoot
I had a new match from 23 and Me today so looked at it. The surname could have been a Jewish line or a gentile line, so I checked out the surname list given which are clues as to who a single segment could be. The lady and I share one segment on chromosome #8.of 27cMs. She was born closer to the year of my grandson's birth, and we are 4th cousins.
The surname that excited me was on her list of names which was Alexander. I had a Chauncey Alexander on my tree born in 1818 in ? and died in 1843 in Northfield, Washington, Vermont. I had no workup on him, but I did on his wife, who was part of my tree. She was Mary Averall born in Northfield, Vermont in 1824. She died in 1909 there. They had married August 10, 1842. Mary's parents were Oliver Averall and Harriet Polly Hopkins. Oliver's father was Thomas Averall and his mother was Elizabeth Robinson b: 1751 in Providence, Rhode Island and had died in 1840 in Northfield, Vermont. (I am her 1st or 2nd cousin 5 times removed.) Later, you will see that Mary Averall's husband, Chauncey Alexander, also brings me to a huge surprise as to who his origins were. They were 2 unimportant people sitting on my tree just because I like to keep following people and their ancestors that Family Search and ancestry.com make possible to do so. They were very distant relatives. By the way, the book, Plymouth Colony, is loaded with Hopkins people of this surname. It's because Stephen Hopkins was one of the passengers on the ship, The Mayflower in 1620. Stephen Hopkins had housed the Indians and had good relations with them. (at least the nearby Wampnoags under the supreme chief Massasoit were good. Somoset who was not a Wampanoag, but came from Maine, ad learned some English fom fishing ships, and he walked in on the settlers shortly after their arrival at Plymouth and offered to help them. Through Samoset, they learned also of Squanto, who was "a native of this place," but who had been taken by a ship to England. Samoset stayed his first night at Stephen Hopkins's house, having familiarity from when he was in Virginia years earlier. through Samoset, the colonists made initial contact with Massasoit and shortly after signed a peace treaty with hi, continuing until after Massasoit's death in 1662. "
Elizabeth Robinson was the daughter of NATHANIEL Robinson,Jr., Deacon, Judge b: 1724 in Attleboro, Massachusetts. He died in 1815 in Westminster, Vermont. Her mother was was Keziah Robbins who died in 1795 in Westminster, Vermont. Nathaniel Robinson was a direct descendant of George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland according to my research done previously..
I had already determined some time ago that this same George Robinson of Glasgow was our ancestor. There are so many Robinsons in New England, and as I kept working on our Robinsons, many people had married into a Robinson line, so I've been guessing as to our known Abiathar Smith Robinson, father of our grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinsons's father. Abiarthar's history ended in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois where he is buried, and was known about on his marriage license, and his wife was known to be Julia Ann Tuller of Royalton, Vermont on the 1850 census at age 15, but Abiathar was on no piece of information. It's been very frustrating. To complicate matters, Julia's father had a John Robinson age 51, working for him b: that could have been Abiathar's father or relative listed on that 1850 census living with them as another farmer. He was alone; no wife or child with him on the census. That shows that he was born in 1799-1800. The census said he was born in Vermont. "In 1850, a John Robinson, farmer, was living with the Tullers. Could he be the father of Abiathar who would have been 21? Julia was 15 on the census. I'm beginning to think so. John would have been 30 years old at Abiathar's birth. " (from my notes).
So, as it is today, I have found a John Robinson b: 1784 in Westminster, Vermont to be Abiathar's missing father. I sure hope I'm right. His wife is Sophromia Pember. They both died in Stowe, Vermont. They had a son named John K.Robinson b: 1819 in Stowe, Lamoille, Vermont. This piece of information coincides with another earlier DNA match that was much closer to me as a 3rd cousin with FTDNA. She's connected to the Bartlett family. I think of the pears with this name. She and I have worked on this line together for many sessions. John K Robinson's wife was Celinda Lorinda Lee Lucinda S. Hoskins HARRIS. She was born in 1821 in Stowe, Lamoille, Vermont also. John K Robinson was also a direct descendant of George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland. They're on the same tree.
The confusing fact is that I have at least 10 to 12 lines of Robinson in my computer in MyFamily Tree Maker Program, an old software program from when I first started doing genealogy way way before DNA came into being for genealogy.
Another line from DNA has the person's mother as a Robinson, and the outcome is a William Robinson, not the same Robinson line. This DNA match is even closer to me the the one with John K. Robinson b: 1819. This goes to Diane Robinson, Richard, Arthur, David, Jacob, John S.1765, Leonard Robinson, Sgt b: 1736, Samuel, Captain, Samuel, William b: 1640 Bristol, England, William Robinson, b: 1614 Canterbury, Kent, England. These last DNA ladies that connect to me connect to each other as well via DNA.
My 2 ladies, both sharing the same name of Cheryl (my first cousin is Charlotte Robinson who we call Cherie) and my brother and myself and my Charlotte's brother, Ken all share the same segment on chromosome #1 of 12 to 15cMs. So somehow we share the same Robinson line as well. I have made a mistake somewhere. DNA doesn't lie.
5/14/19 So I've tried to rectify my error. The problem was the father of Jacob H. Robinson being the wrong John Robinson. I found another that seems to do even better with him leading to the Scottish George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland like the others. This is a John Robinson b: 1769 in Tolland, Connecticut and died in Shoreham, Vermont, about 84 miles away from Bakersfield Vermont. He even had a David Robinson as a son. (This is how we all make errors in our genealogy. It's hard to tell at times who is who. Oh, if everyone had a brand of their Y haplogroup, which they do if tested, but I would like one more visible. This John was already in my tree. So I traded the other John S Robinson b: 1765 for this John Robinson b: 1769. They both ended up in Vermont.
Chauncey Alexander was alone on my tree, one of 2 Alexanders. The other was born about 100 years later. I followed Chauncey's ancestors all the way back to a Peter Alexander b: 1650 in Massachusetts and found out that his father was Wamsutta Alexander Wampanoag Sachem born in 1634-5 at Pokanoket, Bristol, Rhode Island. Yes, I was thinking of the Pilgrims landing in Massachusetts after sailing in 1620 from Holland. I thought, this must be the last ancestor, checked, and found Wamsutta's father. It was Massasoit Ousamequin born in 1575. "Massasoit Sachem or Ousamequin (c. 1581 – 1661) was the sachem or leader of the Wampanoag tribe. The term Massasoit means Great Sachem. Massasoit Ousamequin lived in Montaup, a Pokanoket village in Bristol, Rhode Island. He held the allegiance of a number of lesser Pokanoket sachems.
I have Hyde as an important surname on my mother's tree. It's a long story but I have a Deborah Hyde married to Amos Benton Robinson, both born in 1734. One of their sons was Amos Robinson III b: 1767 in Grafton, Connecticut and wife Elizabeth Hughes. One of his sons was Cyrus Robinson that I selected as my ggrandfather's father. Cyrus B Robinson was born in 1808 in Strafford, Orange, Vermont. His wife was Thankful Preston. Cyrus is a direct descendant of George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland. Whew! Cyrus had been my 1st choice, but now I have chosen John Robinson who is also on this Glasgow, Scotland Robinson tree.
Deborah Hyde leads to a Hyde that married one of the kings of England. It was Anne Hyde. Descendants of ANNE HYDE
1 ANNE HYDE b: March 22, 1637/38 in Cranbourne Lodge, Windsor in Berkshire,Windsor, England d: April 10, 1671 in London, England
.. +King James, II, Duke of York and VII b: October 14, 1633 in St. James Palace, London, England, HOUSE OF STUART d: September 16, 1701 in St. Germain-en-Laye, France
"The House of Stuart, originally Stewart, was a European royal house of Scotland with Breton origin.[2] They had held the office of High Steward of Scotland since Walter FitzAlan in around 1150. The royal Stewart line was founded by Robert II whose descendants were kings and queens of Scotland from 1371 until the union with England in 1707. Mary, Queen of Scots was brought up in France where she adopted the French spelling of the name Stuart."
That connection also leads to George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland, thank goodness, though I had selected the wrong father-still could be the right one as far as I know for sure which was an Amos Robinson III b: 1767 and wife Elizabeth which led to Abiathar's father being a Cyrus B. Robinson b: 1808 with wife Thankful Preston. Abiathar was born in 1829. Anyway, back to the importance of Hyde.
On 2 March 1651/52, Nicholas Hyde was fined 25 pounds, a severe penalty, for selling a gun to an Indian, with confusing evidence. He was also ordered to satisfy Chief Massasoit about a gun that he probably sold to him of which he was not satisfied with. The implication was that it was all right for Massasoit to have a gun. My past notation on Nicholas Hyde was (1/26/12 Sir Nicholas Hyde, who was to hold the office of Chief Justice of the King's Bench between 1627 and 1631).
There is one Alexander listed in the book, Plymouth Colony, published by Ancestry. He was a John Alexander, listed as a man found guilty on 6 August 1637 of lewd behavior, page 201. His punishment was to be severely whipped and burned on the shoulder with a hot iron and to be perpetually banished from the colony, and to be whipped again anytime he might be found in the colony. The book goes into the lewd behavior that he was being punished for.
Alexander is a surname originating in Scotland. It is originally an Anglicised form of the Scottish Gaelic MacAlasdair. It is a somewhat common Scottish name, and the region of Scotland where it traditionally is most commonly found is in the Highlands region of Scotland
My mother wanted so much to find royalty in her family. That's why she encouraged me to do genealogy. She had no idea that an Anne Hyde would become part of royalty or that by roundabout family marriages we would be able to have Chief Massasoit on our tree.
Further checking on Scottish Robinsons produced: " A descendant of one of the Kings of Scotland, by the name of James Robinson, resided in a beautiful town in Scotland called at the time, Blarefatte, but after the rebellion, it was called by another name. (JH typist note: Blarefatte still exists and was visited by both my mother and her brother, grandchildren of Marquis D. Robinson.)
In searching for famous Scottish Robinsons, I came across this Scotsman and was pleased to see it. Thought not a Robinson, he helped my Jewish relatives and I to have a chance populating Palestine once again in the creation of Israel with his Balfour Doctrine. Arthur James Balfour (First Earl of Balfour) (1848 - 1930)
Born in East Lothian. A member of the Conservative party. Held several political positions, and was elected as British Prime Minister in 1902. He remained in office until 1906.
Update 5/15/19 : In checking for Native American DNA, my male 1st cousin-son of my mother's brother, has -1% of native American DNA. It could be from Massasoit. I have none. Luckily, he has 2 areas to check in FTDNA; his own personal and his Y haplogroup information of which he is R-L21.
Read more: Famous Scottish People https://www.scottish-at-heart.com/famous-scottish-people.html#ixzz5nv2xmB5e
Resource: 23 and me
My genealogy tree
Ancestry.com
Family Search (LDS)
Book, Plymouth Colony, Its History and People,
published by ancestry., by Eugene Aubrey Stratton
Massasoit; pp; 22,23,25,67,77,102,108
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Stuart
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| King James II, VII |
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| Chief Massasoit |
The surname that excited me was on her list of names which was Alexander. I had a Chauncey Alexander on my tree born in 1818 in ? and died in 1843 in Northfield, Washington, Vermont. I had no workup on him, but I did on his wife, who was part of my tree. She was Mary Averall born in Northfield, Vermont in 1824. She died in 1909 there. They had married August 10, 1842. Mary's parents were Oliver Averall and Harriet Polly Hopkins. Oliver's father was Thomas Averall and his mother was Elizabeth Robinson b: 1751 in Providence, Rhode Island and had died in 1840 in Northfield, Vermont. (I am her 1st or 2nd cousin 5 times removed.) Later, you will see that Mary Averall's husband, Chauncey Alexander, also brings me to a huge surprise as to who his origins were. They were 2 unimportant people sitting on my tree just because I like to keep following people and their ancestors that Family Search and ancestry.com make possible to do so. They were very distant relatives. By the way, the book, Plymouth Colony, is loaded with Hopkins people of this surname. It's because Stephen Hopkins was one of the passengers on the ship, The Mayflower in 1620. Stephen Hopkins had housed the Indians and had good relations with them. (at least the nearby Wampnoags under the supreme chief Massasoit were good. Somoset who was not a Wampanoag, but came from Maine, ad learned some English fom fishing ships, and he walked in on the settlers shortly after their arrival at Plymouth and offered to help them. Through Samoset, they learned also of Squanto, who was "a native of this place," but who had been taken by a ship to England. Samoset stayed his first night at Stephen Hopkins's house, having familiarity from when he was in Virginia years earlier. through Samoset, the colonists made initial contact with Massasoit and shortly after signed a peace treaty with hi, continuing until after Massasoit's death in 1662. "
Elizabeth Robinson was the daughter of NATHANIEL Robinson,Jr., Deacon, Judge b: 1724 in Attleboro, Massachusetts. He died in 1815 in Westminster, Vermont. Her mother was was Keziah Robbins who died in 1795 in Westminster, Vermont. Nathaniel Robinson was a direct descendant of George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland according to my research done previously..
I had already determined some time ago that this same George Robinson of Glasgow was our ancestor. There are so many Robinsons in New England, and as I kept working on our Robinsons, many people had married into a Robinson line, so I've been guessing as to our known Abiathar Smith Robinson, father of our grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinsons's father. Abiarthar's history ended in Wenona, Marshall, Illinois where he is buried, and was known about on his marriage license, and his wife was known to be Julia Ann Tuller of Royalton, Vermont on the 1850 census at age 15, but Abiathar was on no piece of information. It's been very frustrating. To complicate matters, Julia's father had a John Robinson age 51, working for him b: that could have been Abiathar's father or relative listed on that 1850 census living with them as another farmer. He was alone; no wife or child with him on the census. That shows that he was born in 1799-1800. The census said he was born in Vermont. "In 1850, a John Robinson, farmer, was living with the Tullers. Could he be the father of Abiathar who would have been 21? Julia was 15 on the census. I'm beginning to think so. John would have been 30 years old at Abiathar's birth. " (from my notes).
So, as it is today, I have found a John Robinson b: 1784 in Westminster, Vermont to be Abiathar's missing father. I sure hope I'm right. His wife is Sophromia Pember. They both died in Stowe, Vermont. They had a son named John K.Robinson b: 1819 in Stowe, Lamoille, Vermont. This piece of information coincides with another earlier DNA match that was much closer to me as a 3rd cousin with FTDNA. She's connected to the Bartlett family. I think of the pears with this name. She and I have worked on this line together for many sessions. John K Robinson's wife was Celinda Lorinda Lee Lucinda S. Hoskins HARRIS. She was born in 1821 in Stowe, Lamoille, Vermont also. John K Robinson was also a direct descendant of George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland. They're on the same tree.
The confusing fact is that I have at least 10 to 12 lines of Robinson in my computer in MyFamily Tree Maker Program, an old software program from when I first started doing genealogy way way before DNA came into being for genealogy.
Another line from DNA has the person's mother as a Robinson, and the outcome is a William Robinson, not the same Robinson line. This DNA match is even closer to me the the one with John K. Robinson b: 1819. This goes to Diane Robinson, Richard, Arthur, David, Jacob, John S.1765, Leonard Robinson, Sgt b: 1736, Samuel, Captain, Samuel, William b: 1640 Bristol, England, William Robinson, b: 1614 Canterbury, Kent, England. These last DNA ladies that connect to me connect to each other as well via DNA.
My 2 ladies, both sharing the same name of Cheryl (my first cousin is Charlotte Robinson who we call Cherie) and my brother and myself and my Charlotte's brother, Ken all share the same segment on chromosome #1 of 12 to 15cMs. So somehow we share the same Robinson line as well. I have made a mistake somewhere. DNA doesn't lie.
5/14/19 So I've tried to rectify my error. The problem was the father of Jacob H. Robinson being the wrong John Robinson. I found another that seems to do even better with him leading to the Scottish George Robinson of Glasgow, Scotland like the others. This is a John Robinson b: 1769 in Tolland, Connecticut and died in Shoreham, Vermont, about 84 miles away from Bakersfield Vermont. He even had a David Robinson as a son. (This is how we all make errors in our genealogy. It's hard to tell at times who is who. Oh, if everyone had a brand of their Y haplogroup, which they do if tested, but I would like one more visible. This John was already in my tree. So I traded the other John S Robinson b: 1765 for this John Robinson b: 1769. They both ended up in Vermont.
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| Massasoit smoking a ceremonial pipe with Governor John Carver in Plymouth 1621. |
"Outbreaks of smallpox had devastated the Pokanokets, and Massasoit sought an alliance with the colonies of New England against the neighboring Narragansetts, who controlled an area west of Narragansett Bay in the Colony of Rhode Island. He forged critical political and personal ties with colonial leaders William Bradford, Edward Winslow, Stephen Hopkins, John Carver, and Myles Standish, ties which grew out of a negotiated peace treaty on March 22, 1621. The alliance ensured that the Wampanoags remained neutral during the Pequot War in 1636. According to Colonial sources, Massasoit prevented the failure of Plymouth Colony and the almost certain starvation that the Pilgrims faced during the earliest years of the colony's establishment."
All this was found through family search from their posted tree information.  |
| Anne Hyde |
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| James II of England
James II and VII was King of England and Ireland as James II and King of Scotland as James VII, from 6 February 1685 until he was deposed in the Glorious Revolution of 1688..
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1 ANNE HYDE b: March 22, 1637/38 in Cranbourne Lodge, Windsor in Berkshire,Windsor, England d: April 10, 1671 in London, England
.. +King James, II, Duke of York and VII b: October 14, 1633 in St. James Palace, London, England, HOUSE OF STUART d: September 16, 1701 in St. Germain-en-Laye, France
"The House of Stuart, originally Stewart, was a European royal house of Scotland with Breton origin.[2] They had held the office of High Steward of Scotland since Walter FitzAlan in around 1150. The royal Stewart line was founded by Robert II whose descendants were kings and queens of Scotland from 1371 until the union with England in 1707. Mary, Queen of Scots was brought up in France where she adopted the French spelling of the name Stuart."
On 2 March 1651/52, Nicholas Hyde was fined 25 pounds, a severe penalty, for selling a gun to an Indian, with confusing evidence. He was also ordered to satisfy Chief Massasoit about a gun that he probably sold to him of which he was not satisfied with. The implication was that it was all right for Massasoit to have a gun. My past notation on Nicholas Hyde was (1/26/12 Sir Nicholas Hyde, who was to hold the office of Chief Justice of the King's Bench between 1627 and 1631).
There is one Alexander listed in the book, Plymouth Colony, published by Ancestry. He was a John Alexander, listed as a man found guilty on 6 August 1637 of lewd behavior, page 201. His punishment was to be severely whipped and burned on the shoulder with a hot iron and to be perpetually banished from the colony, and to be whipped again anytime he might be found in the colony. The book goes into the lewd behavior that he was being punished for.
Alexander is a surname originating in Scotland. It is originally an Anglicised form of the Scottish Gaelic MacAlasdair. It is a somewhat common Scottish name, and the region of Scotland where it traditionally is most commonly found is in the Highlands region of Scotland
My mother wanted so much to find royalty in her family. That's why she encouraged me to do genealogy. She had no idea that an Anne Hyde would become part of royalty or that by roundabout family marriages we would be able to have Chief Massasoit on our tree.
The King of England allowed Sir James, as he was called, to enjoy his inheritance without being molested, though he had to give to kings of England, a small sum annually to acknowledge them as his legal sovereigns.
Robinson is the 15th most common surname in the United Kingdom. According to the 1990 United States Census, Robinson was the twentieth most frequently encountered surname among those reported, accounting for 0.23% of the population.
In Ireland, Robinson is only really common in Ulster. The two names had been used interchangeably in some areas of the province around the beginning of the 20th century. It can also be an Anglicization of such Jewish surnames as Rabinowitz and Rubinstein.In searching for famous Scottish Robinsons, I came across this Scotsman and was pleased to see it. Thought not a Robinson, he helped my Jewish relatives and I to have a chance populating Palestine once again in the creation of Israel with his Balfour Doctrine. Arthur James Balfour (First Earl of Balfour) (1848 - 1930)
Born in East Lothian. A member of the Conservative party. Held several political positions, and was elected as British Prime Minister in 1902. He remained in office until 1906.
Update 5/15/19 : In checking for Native American DNA, my male 1st cousin-son of my mother's brother, has -1% of native American DNA. It could be from Massasoit. I have none. Luckily, he has 2 areas to check in FTDNA; his own personal and his Y haplogroup information of which he is R-L21.
Read more: Famous Scottish People https://www.scottish-at-heart.com/famous-scottish-people.html#ixzz5nv2xmB5e
Resource: 23 and me
My genealogy tree
Ancestry.com
Family Search (LDS)
Book, Plymouth Colony, Its History and People,
published by ancestry., by Eugene Aubrey Stratton
Massasoit; pp; 22,23,25,67,77,102,108
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Stuart
Hello Cousin. We have had one of our Alexander lines also bricked for years . Now I am finding our Alexander line to descend from Wamsutta Alexander and his Son Peter Alexander born. 1650 death 1702.
ReplyDeleteCan you please share where references to Peter being the son of Wamsutta Alexander can be found?
Greatly Appreciated, Dr. Anwar Ibrahim
https://www.geni.com/path/Dr-Anwar-Ibrahim+is+related+to+Peter-Alexander?from=6000000055673868882&path_type=blood&to=6000000000632501034