No Robinsons on the Mayflower, but Reverend John Robinson Sent Many Pilgrims

Nadene Goldfoot                                            

My grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinson, was told that his ancestors came over NOT on the Mayflower, but the ship after that.  Was he talking about a Robinson ancestor?  It could be that he heard about Reverend John Robinson who lived in Holland and was the instigator that sent the Pilgrims living there on the Mayflower to the New World.  He never got there, but his son, Isaac, did.

One thing I have found is that my Robinson family had married into THE ROBINSON FAMILY OF JOHN ROBINSON, OF HOLLAND WHO SENT THE PILGRIMS ONTO THE MAYFLOWER.  So we are indirectly connected.
                                                                               

Birth: Isaac Robinson was born about 1610 in Leiden. Death: He died in Barnstable in 1704. Ship: Unknown, 1631.  The ship that came in 1621 was the Fortune and there were no Robinsons listed.  Isaac came over to Plymouth between 22 May 1627 to 27 March 1634.  The date was thought to be 1631  and married Margaret Hanford.  

The ships that came over in 1631 were: It was said to be the Lyon.  

Virginia
	Lyon 1	Pierce	1631	Bristol, England
	Plough of Woolwich	Graves	1631	London, England		Massachusetts
	White Angel		1631	Bristol, England		Saco, Maine
	Robert Bonadventure		May 1631	London, England		St Christophers
	De Eendracht		July 7 1631	Texel, Holland		New Amster. (NYC)
	Lyon 2	Pierce	Nov 1631	London, England		Nantasket, MA

 Life in Holland: Isaac Robinson, one of nine children, was born in Leiden to Reverend John and Bridget (White) Robinson. His father was the pastor of the English reformed church there. The family lived in Groenepoort near the St. Peter’s Church. Rev. Robinson died in 1625, but his widow and children remained in  Leiden. Isaac was the only one to emigrate to New England.

Another source said he came in the Winthrop fleet, that I believe came 10 years later.  "Issac, Plymouth 1630, son of blessed John, the apostle of Leyden, come probably with his mother in the fleet with Winthrop.
Descendants of JOHN (Rev.) Robinson

1   JOHN (Rev.) Robinson b: Bet. 1575 - 1576 in Sturton Nottinghamshire, or Lincolnshire, England
.. +Bridget White b: 1579 in Sturton Nottinghamshire, England
. 2   John Robinson b: Bet. 1606 - 1609 in Norwich, Norfolk, England
. 2   Bridget Robinson b: 1608 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands
. 2   [1] Isaac Robinson b: Bet. 1610 - 1620 in Reusel-de Mierden, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands, Leiden, Holland
..... +Margaret Hanford b: 1619 in Fremington, Devon, England
. *2nd Wife of [1] Isaac Robinson:
..... +Mary Faunce b: July 25, 1628 in Plymouth, Massachusetts
. 2   Jacob Robinson b: February 07, 1620/21 in Greasley, Nottingham, England
. 2   Mercy Robinson b: Abt. 1614 in Leyden, Holland
. 2   [2] Fear Robinson b: 1614 in Leyden, Holland
..... +Samuel Baker b: Abt. 1614
. *2nd Husband of [2] Fear Robinson:
..... +John Jennings

Here's where DNA comes in.  Our Robinson line's Y haplogroup is R1b1a2a1a1b4, which is now called as an R-L21.  The DYS #393 is 12 instead of 13.  This denotes more matches with the Irish than English people.  Our oral history was that his line came from Wales.  He may have been very confused as he had run away from home as a teenager and had never returned over an argument with his father, Abiather over his horse that was gored by a bull in the field.  Abiathar wouldn't let him move it out as it was the Sabbath.  

I have not found that this group has had many dna tests, but the few that have not carried the very same haplotype, though they also are R1.  It's the allele of 393 that differs, theirs being a 13 and ours a 12.  We've tested with Family Tree DNA and also have the results with GedMatch.com.  I haven't come across but one match which has also had the 67 allele test that is a haplotype match, but not a personal match.  

Now I find that a DNA match of my Robinson cousin also has a tree, and his tree shows a John Robinson born  in 1580 in Meppershall, England who was married to Katherine Eaden.  They had a son, John Robinson, born on February 9, 1611 in Meppershall who married Elizabeth Trickely in Haverhill, Massachusetts.  They had a son, John Robinson born in 1640 in Haverhill, Massachusetts.  He married Dorothy Perkins.  They were different.  Their son was named Jacob Robinson.  

Isaac Robinson:   from genie.com.  

Isaac Robinson MP

Gender:	Male
Birth:	circa 1610  Leiden, Leiden, South Holland, The Netherlands
Death:	circa 1704 (86-102) Barnstable, Barnstable County, Province of Massachusetts, (Present USA)
Immediate Family:	Son of Rev. John Robinson and Bridget Robinson Husband of Mary Harlow (Faunce) and Margaret Robinson (Hanford) Father of Peter Robinson; Israel Robinson; Jacob Robinson, Sr.; Lt. Peter Robinson; Thomas Robinson and 9 others Brother of Robinson; Dr. John Robinson; Bridget Lee; Mercy Robinson; Favor Jennings and 4 others

The descendants have a site on facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/DescendantsOfRevJohnRobinson/ I just wrote them a message on facebook about DNA testing.  

Descendants of Isaac Robinson

1   [2] Isaac Robinson b: Bet. 1610 - 1620 in Reusel-de Mierden, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands, Leiden, Holland

.. +Margaret Hanford b: 1619 in Fremington, Devon, England

. 2   Thomas Robinson b: Abt. 1635

. 2   Mary Mercy Robinson b: Abt. 1636

..... +William Weeks b: 1636

. 2   Susannah Robinson b: January 21, 1636/37

. 2   Israel Robinson b: Abt. 1638

. 2   Jacob Robinson b: Abt. 1639

. 2   William Robinson b: Abt. 1641

. 2   John Robinson b: April 05, 1640 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts

..... +Elizabeth Weeks b: 1648 in England/ Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts

. 2   Isaac Robinson b: August 07, 1642 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts

..... +Ann b: Abt. 1640 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts

. 2   Fear Robinson b: January 26, 1644/45

..... +Samuel Baker b: October 02, 1638 in Scituate, Plymouth, Massachusetts

. 2   [1] Mercy Robinson b: July 04, 1647 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts

..... +Unnamed b: Abt. 1646

. *2nd Husband of [1] Mercy Robinson:

..... +William Weeks b: 1647 in Devonshire, England

. 2   Margaret Robinson b: June 06, 1649 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts

*2nd Wife of [2] Isaac Robinson:

.. +Mary Faunce b: July 25, 1628 in Plymouth, Massachusetts

. 2   Israel Isaac Robinson b: October 05, 1651 in Barnstable, Massachusetts

..... +Anne Cottle

. 2   [3] Jacob Robinson b: May 15, 1653 in Barnstable, Massachusetts

..... +Mary

. *2nd Wife of [3] Jacob Robinson:

..... +Experience Rogers b: June 22, 1673 in Nantucket, Massachusetts

. 2   [4] Peter Robinson, Sr. b: June 1655 in Barnstable, Massachusetts

..... +Mary Mantor b: 1668 in Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts

. *2nd Wife of [4] Peter Robinson, Sr.:

..... +Experience Manter Lumbert b: 1673 in Tisbury, Dukes, Massachusetts

. 2   Thomas Robinson b: March 06, 1655/56 in Barnstable, Massachusetts

There were plenty of ships.

Year	Depart	Arrive	Master
Mayflower	1620	Southampton	Plymouth	Christopher Jones
Fortune	1621	London	Plymouth	Thomas Barton
Sparrow	1622		Massachusetts Bay	Mr. Rogers
Swan	1622		Massachusetts Bay
Anne	1623		Plymouth	William Pierce
Jonathan	1623	Plymouth	Boston Harbor
Katherine	1623	London (prob)	Weymouth	Joseph Stratton
Little James	1623	London	Plymouth	John Bridges
Prophet Daniel	1623			Mr. Poole
Yorke Bonaventure	1623	London (prob)	Casco Bay, Maine	Christopher Levitt
Charity	1624	London	Plymouth	Tobias White
Unity	1624		Braintree	Mr. Wollaston
Zouch Phenix	1624	Weymouth (prob)	Cape Anne
Jacob	1625	Bristol	Plymouth	William Pierce
Abigail	1628	Weymouth	Salem	Henry Gaudens
Marmaduke	1628		Plymouth	John Gibbs
Pleasure	1628	Barnstaple	Virginia	William Peters
White Angel	1628	Barnstaple	Plymouth	Christopher Burkett
Four Sisters	1629	Gravesend		Roger Harman
George Bonaventure	1629	Gravesend	Salem	Thomas Cox
Lyon	1629	Bristol	Plymouth	William Pierce
Lyon's Whelp	1629	Gravesend	Salem	John Gibbs
Mayflower	1629	Gravesend	Plymouth	William Pierce
Six ships sailed	1629	Gravesend	Salem,Boston
Talbot	1629	Isle of Wight	Salem	Thomas Beecher

Resource:  http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/k/u/k/Paul--V-Kukuk-WA/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0088.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passengers_of_1621_Fortune_voyage

http://www.packrat-pro.com/ships/shiplist.htm