Tuesday, October 10, 2017
Robinson Tree Discovers Missing GGGrandparents Through DNA Testing of Y Haplogroup Match
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Abiathar Smith Robinson's parents are found Abiathar was born in 1829 in Vermont or maybe even New York but married in 1852 in Tunbridge, Vermont to a Royalton, Vermont lady, Julia Ann Tuller. Abiathar's father evidently was a James Robinson b: January 24, 1777 in Deerfield, Rockingham, New Hampshire. He died in Mt. Vernon, Kennebec, Maine on March 26, 1857. It was around then that Abiathar and Julia had moved to Canada, for 3 of their children were born there.
Now, counting myself as the 1st generation, have gone back 10 generations to John Robinson b: 1611 and Elizabeth Pemberton of Meppershall, England.
Abiathar's great great grandson, Ken, took a DNA test and found his Y haplogroup (male line) was R-L21 with a rare DYS of 12, not the usual 13. He had one other match that had also tested with 67 alleles that was the same as he was. It was another Robinson with a history of New Hampshire and Maine. I had his tree. The problem was that I knew we connected in our families, but how to figure who the connecting person was. I finally used dates and took an educated guess, creating another set of parents for Abiathar from this tree. That's all I had; a guess.
This time while working on a Robinson-Wilson genealogy search, I accidentally connected with a supposed brother from this guess to the Maine Robinson tree. I had the probable father already from the Maine tree without a wife, and found him and his wife on a burial reference with his wife bearing the surname of the middle name of Abiathar's supposed brother. I had Abiathar and this supposed brother attached to the wrong father and quickly adjusted it to the information on the burial reference! It's easy to do on my software. The burial reference listed both parents and gave the birth town of each. It coincided with the Maine-Robinson tree! I had done it so many times before for poor Abiathar. I had created 15 different sets of parents for him thinking each one was correct. I hit paydirt this time. It all matches the DNA evidence of belonging to the Maine Robinson line that leads to John Robinson of Meppershall, England, the tree of our Robinson DNA match.
The disappointing factor is that my cousin Ken and James A Robinson of the original Meppershall tree, though matching in the Y haplogroup, do not match each other in shared DNA segments. They are too far apart to be related to each other via DNA. My brother and I do not have a match with him, either. That doesn't mean that another of Ken's siblings wouldn't have a match if they were tested, though, but it's improbable. There is one more match to us and it also happens to be an R. A Robinson whose Y haplogroup is R-M269, the same tag we had had in the beginning of Ken's test. He is also using the Meppershall tree. We have some matching people from this tree. Again, he is not a match to Ken with any chromosomal segments. Both men, JAR and RAR, have a distance of 5, which means the common ancestor at 12 generations ago for JAR was 90.99% sure and for RAR was 80.16% sure. Twenty-five years is usually considered a generation. The connection thus goes back about 300 years to 1717.  On is Meppershall tree, this can take me back to Captain James Robinson born in 1711 in Exeter, Rockingham, New Hampshire and his wife, Mary Gilman. On the Reverend Robinson tree with Israel Robinson of Kattelville, New York, I have Abiathar being the brother of Ebenezer Ganong Robinson, an ancestor of one of our lady matches, another DNA piece of evidence. Around 1717, this could go back to either Peter Robinson, Sr, or his son born in Rehoboth, Bristol, Massachusetts Bay. You see, all roads to our early ancestors lead first to Massachusetts in this exodus from England to America. One problem I have is that my father was Jewish, and Robinson is also a surname used by many Jewish people. We have a few other Robinson matches but are of the Jewish line, so this is something I have to check out first. Which side of the family matches these Robinsons? 
Descendants of JOHN ROBINSON, Sr.
1 [1] JOHN ROBINSON, Sr. b: February 09, 1611/12 in Meppershall, Bedfordshire, England d: September 10, 1675 in Exeter, Rockingham, New Hampshire
.. +Elizabeth Trickley b: 1623 in Haverhill, Essex, Massachusetts d: December 24, 1715 in Hampton, Rockingham, New Hampshire
*2nd Wife of [1] JOHN ROBINSON, Sr.:
.. +Elizabeth PEMBERTON b: Abt. 1623 in Haverhill, Essex, Massachusetts d: December 24, 1715 in Hampton, Rockingham, New Hampshire
Maine Winter
 
The only disappointment is that there still remains the fact of not having any paper evidence of his birth to any parents. He had been born in December 1829. It could have had something to do with it.
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1 Samuel Sherbourne Robinson b: January 15, 1810 in Mt. Vernon, Kennebec, Maine d: October 21, 1892 in Mt. Vernon, Kennebec, Maine
1 [1] James ROBINSON b: January 24, 1777 in Deerfield, Rockingham, New Hampshire d: March 26, 1857 in Mt Vernon, Kennebec, Maine
.. +Phebe Sherbourne b: Abt. 1777 in Wakefield, New Hampshire d: in prob. Mt Vernon, Kennebec, Maine
I found a death certificate from Maine for Samuel Sherbourne Robinson and on it listed his parents. Oddly, I had been playing around with possible parents and had connected Abiathar as a brother to this man by utter chance. I saw that Abiathar was now this man's brother by the way I had fooled around, experimenting and realized I was holding his death certificate, so I undid the wrong parents I had him connected to and put in James Robinson, the name on the certificate. Then I looked in my vast name bank and had about 100 James Robinsons and guessed at the age by the other name I had had erroneously as his father, and anyway, found a man without a wife but from the right town in New Hampshire! It was Deerfield, Rockingham, New Hampshire. I was able to type in the mother's name. It was Phebe Sherbourne. Good grief! I had the death location for her on the certificate and it fit. I looked at the five children on the list and the brother I had been working on who had died with the death certificate was Samuel Sherbourne Robinson. It all fit. She was from Wakefeld, New Hampshire. Her husband was already in my computer.
As I look at my evidence in the light of the next 5am morning, I am depending on Abiathar's present sibling, Samuel Sherbourne Robinson, to be an actual sibling. It's a most logical connection, unverified still. Yet we do have this matching DNA on the Y haplogroup that is a rare match and the tree. I still wonder why Abiathar didn't go into Maine or even New Hampshire, and why he went into Canada in those 10 some years in the 60's. Was he ostracized from the family? Did they have a bru-ha-ha like Abiathar had with my grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinson? Did they just lose touch with each other? Questions still remain. How do fathers get separated from their sons?
As I look at my evidence in the light of the next 5am morning, I am depending on Abiathar's present sibling, Samuel Sherbourne Robinson, to be an actual sibling. It's a most logical connection, unverified still. Yet we do have this matching DNA on the Y haplogroup that is a rare match and the tree. I still wonder why Abiathar didn't go into Maine or even New Hampshire, and why he went into Canada in those 10 some years in the 60's. Was he ostracized from the family? Did they have a bru-ha-ha like Abiathar had with my grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinson? Did they just lose touch with each other? Questions still remain. How do fathers get separated from their sons?
As it turns out, our Robinsons are not one of Reverend John Robinson who sent the Pilgrims from Holland onto the Mayflower. In this case, their DNA's Y haplogroup is unknown, though an R. Now, my next challenge will be to connect my three female dna matches that I have found through 23&;Me, Family Tree DNA and GedMatch.com. Maybe it will now be easier. I'll be checking out the Meppershall Tree. Whatever, with Abiathar's oral history of his ancestor coming to America not on the Mayflower but the next ship, we know we originated in Massachusetts, and wandered through Connecticut, New Hampshire, Vermont, and now can add Maine to our New England Robinson family. Like grandfather Frank had said, he was A BLUE BLOODED YANKEE!
Notable people from this part of Maine are:
- Joseph W. Allen, state legislator
- Joseph Payne, musician
- John H. Rice, U.S. congressman
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- Moses Sherburne, politician and Minnesota Supreme Court Justice Moses G. Sherburne (January 25, 1808 – March 23, 1868) was an American politician and jurist.(Isn't this a derivative of Sherbourne?)Born in Mount Vernon, Kennebec County, Maine, Sherburne studied at the academy in China, Maine. He then studied law and was admitted to the Maine bar in 1831. He practiced law in Phillips, Maine, where he served as postmaster and in the Maine Legislature, and later lived in Franklin County, Maine. Sherburne served in the Maine House of Representatives, in 1842, and then in the Maine State Senate, in 1845, as a Democrat. Sherburne also served as justice of the peace and then as probate judge for Franklin County, Maine. He was also major general for the Maine militia. In 1850, Sherburne served as Maine Bank Commissioner. He then ran for the United States House of Representatives as a Democrat in 1852. He finished in Minnesota.
- John L. Stevens, U.S. diplomat and Republican Party founder
The First Town-Meeting. - The first legal meeting was held at the house of Samuel Leavitt on Thursday, the 30th day of January, 1766; Wadleigh Cram was chosen moderator; Thomas Simpson, Esq., parish clerk; Samuel Leavitt, John Robinson, Eliphalet Griffin, selectmen; Benjamin Batchelder, constable; John Gile, Jacob Longfellow, Daniel Ladd, Obediah Marston, and Nathaniel Maloon, surveyors of highways; Jonathan Glidden and Samuel Tilton, assessors; Abram True and Jeremiah Eastman, auditors; Jedediah Prescott, Jeremiah Eastman, Samuel Tilton, Benjamin Folsom, Thomas Burleigh, Capt. Samuel Leavitt, Thomas Simpson were chosen "a Committee to look out for a Suitable Place to Sett a meeting-house upon and a Return att the next anual Meeting from under the major part of their hands and the Same to be received or Rejected by the Parish as they Shall think proper."
It would help to have several or more claimants of belonging to Reverend John Robinson's line to have the same Y haplogroup as my male cousin. Otherwise, my connecting to people of the same haplogroup looks like the better choice. Y haplogroup has very small mutations over a period of time. It's a way of telling who is on the same branch. Genealogy is showing one thing, yet science is showing another with science's DNA evidence in both. This is one big conundrum for me!
Post Script:
Another look at Peter Robinson on the Reverend John Robinson tree showed an amazing fact! Peter Robinson, son of Peter Robinson, Sr. was born October 25, 1717 in Rehoboth, Bristol, Massachusetts in 1717 but died in Londonderry, Rockingham, New Hampshire!
That's where my searching on this line stopped. I think I've found the connection to both trees, if that's possible. Oh my. Maybe it has helped to write all this out. Halleluhah! I need to find more Robinsons now.
Peter Robinson's brother, already on the tree, is Ebenezer Robinson, Major in the Revolutionary war who had moved from Rehoboth, Bristol, Massachusetts to Roxbury, Delaware, New York. He is the father of Daniel Robinson, Reverend b: 1771 in Carmel, Putnam, New York who died in Kattellville, Broome, Schoharie, New York in 1866. He was the father of Israel Robinson b: 1800 in Roxbury and died in Kattellville in 1867 who was the father of Ebenezer Ganong and most likely, ABIATHAR SMITH ROBINSON (1829).
Peter Robinson 1695-1785 and wife Elizabeth Sabin's 2 sons fathered the 2 different branches. He was born in Rehoboth, Bristol, Massachusetts and died in Barnstable, Massachusetts.
Major Ebenezer was born in 1735 in Rehoboth and he died in Roxbury, Delaware, New York. His wife was Anna Stone.
John was born in 1742 in Rehoboth and he died in Otsego, New York. His wife was Phoebe Clapp. It was his son, Jacob H Robinson born in 1790 in Vermont and died in Bakersfield, Franklin, Vermont that leads to a chromosomal match.
Thus we have the connection between the two trees. Rockingham, New Hampshire shows up in both trees. This is it. Who Abiathar's parents are doesn't really matter. He must be on both lines. DNA has proved that through the Y haplogroup of being R-L21 and also by finding actual chromosome matches of segments from people connected to the John Robinson-Pilgrim line. Whew! Think I'll keep him on the latter line with Ebenezer Ganong as a brother and Israel Robinson as his father. My Jewish bloodline and being a defender of Israel draws me with a smile to this ggggrandfather of mine. My father, Maurice Goldfoot, was a buyer of cattle. He would smile thinking that Israel lived in Kattellville.
It would help to have several or more claimants of belonging to Reverend John Robinson's line to have the same Y haplogroup as my male cousin. Otherwise, my connecting to people of the same haplogroup looks like the better choice. Y haplogroup has very small mutations over a period of time. It's a way of telling who is on the same branch. Genealogy is showing one thing, yet science is showing another with science's DNA evidence in both. This is one big conundrum for me!
Post Script:
Another look at Peter Robinson on the Reverend John Robinson tree showed an amazing fact! Peter Robinson, son of Peter Robinson, Sr. was born October 25, 1717 in Rehoboth, Bristol, Massachusetts in 1717 but died in Londonderry, Rockingham, New Hampshire!
That's where my searching on this line stopped. I think I've found the connection to both trees, if that's possible. Oh my. Maybe it has helped to write all this out. Halleluhah! I need to find more Robinsons now.
Peter Robinson's brother, already on the tree, is Ebenezer Robinson, Major in the Revolutionary war who had moved from Rehoboth, Bristol, Massachusetts to Roxbury, Delaware, New York. He is the father of Daniel Robinson, Reverend b: 1771 in Carmel, Putnam, New York who died in Kattellville, Broome, Schoharie, New York in 1866. He was the father of Israel Robinson b: 1800 in Roxbury and died in Kattellville in 1867 who was the father of Ebenezer Ganong and most likely, ABIATHAR SMITH ROBINSON (1829).
Peter Robinson 1695-1785 and wife Elizabeth Sabin's 2 sons fathered the 2 different branches. He was born in Rehoboth, Bristol, Massachusetts and died in Barnstable, Massachusetts.
Major Ebenezer was born in 1735 in Rehoboth and he died in Roxbury, Delaware, New York. His wife was Anna Stone.
John was born in 1742 in Rehoboth and he died in Otsego, New York. His wife was Phoebe Clapp. It was his son, Jacob H Robinson born in 1790 in Vermont and died in Bakersfield, Franklin, Vermont that leads to a chromosomal match.
Thus we have the connection between the two trees. Rockingham, New Hampshire shows up in both trees. This is it. Who Abiathar's parents are doesn't really matter. He must be on both lines. DNA has proved that through the Y haplogroup of being R-L21 and also by finding actual chromosome matches of segments from people connected to the John Robinson-Pilgrim line. Whew! Think I'll keep him on the latter line with Ebenezer Ganong as a brother and Israel Robinson as his father. My Jewish bloodline and being a defender of Israel draws me with a smile to this ggggrandfather of mine. My father, Maurice Goldfoot, was a buyer of cattle. He would smile thinking that Israel lived in Kattellville.
Resource: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mecreadf/mtvernon.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Sherburne
https://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Sherburne-22/890
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1877095
http://history.rays-place.com/nh/deerfield-nh.htm
Labels: Abiathar Smith Robinson, Canada, Deerfield, dna, England, genealogy, Illinois, Kennebeck, Maine, Marshall, Meppershall, Mt. Vernon, New Hampshire, Rockingham, Vermont, Wenona
# posted by Nadene Goldfoot @ 7:45 AM 
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I'd like to know if you are related to my Robinsons since you mention a John that moved to Otsego, New York. I am related to James Robinson who lived there around that time. His grave hasn't been found, but you can find information about him through his wife's page: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/55473205/lois-robinson_chapman .
I've tested DNA and could exchange GEDmatch info.
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I've tested DNA and could exchange GEDmatch info.
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